• JamesJames September 2012
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    I think this topic will be apt for many of us to learn about picking and grooming kois for GOs. Senior bros like Dan Lee, Shukri, Thiam Hwa, Capt could perhaps share with us on your criteria in picks, grooming regime, etc. Seeing there are many GOs in progress and in the pipeline. Next GO judging being Yamakoshi Cup and Ginrin Shiro GO. Next GO event being Kujaku, Goromo, Goshiki GO.

    Bro Dan Lee has won in every GO since I joined the hobby in 2010, Bro Shukri won GC in the Seijuro GO. So sifus... the stage is yours..
  • wongyengwongyeng September 2012
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    What is meaning of GO ? :P
  • 4r4sis4r4sis September 2012
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    i think GO stand for grow out.from tosai to certain period of time until it it will be judges back on the growth or any other aspect..
    this topic quite interesting to bring upfront bro Nivek.. (Y)
  • 4r4sis4r4sis September 2012
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    sorry wrong bro mention here..credits goes to bro James...
    my mistake..
  • elwinbelwinb September 2012
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    Looking forward for the sharing so that we could learn more from the experienced sifus here.
  • wongyengwongyeng September 2012
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    Bro 4r4sis,
    Thanks for the clarifications...

    Talking about GO, I wonder whether kois follow a similar process of GO, e.g.
    I hv some tosais from the same batch, some grow faster than others but some grow fat while some grow long and some don't grow at all ??

    Any ideas ?
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar September 2012
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    Indeed a good topic. Tips please...more GO coming up, can be a good pointers for a newbie like me...
    Post edited by Shukri at 2012-09-11 12:29:51 am
  • ShukriShukri September 2012
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    While waiting for the others i.e. Bro Thiamhwa, Daniel and Captain to give their insights....I will try to discuss with you my point of view.

    If you want to win in a 5 months of so Tosai Grow Out, choose a male koi. Why do I say so? Because............
    1) Male Tosai tend to grow faster and bigger at this stage
    2) In terms of Pattern, male fish tend to be more complete
    3) The color will be more intense than female at this stage
    4) Male fish at this stage will have a better all around fish
    For 50 BU and below, I have won a few times with male fishes in shows............

    A) It is best to prepare the koi in a tank seperate from the other fishes.
    B) Feed wheat germ (plus Hi Growth) and balance it with color food. Feed as frequent as possible but with small amount.
    C) Using chillers will be an added advantage
    D) Feed 6 days with one day fasting
    E) Stop the color feed at least 1 month before GO judging date
    F) After the heavy color feeding, you need to bring back the yellowish shirogi to white.
    G) Need to know how to enhance the BENI
    I) Need to know how to enhance the SUMI
    J) Need to know how to get good skin........the sheen etc
    K) Attend to your fish frequently
    L) It will be a lie if I do not say this..........you need LUCK to be on your side

    Please remember that in a GO final, the koi will be judge on an overall quality with future potential if the judges are from the Koi Farm, but if judge by a ZNA certified judge,, he will judge the koi at that judging time........best overall koi then will win.

    I will let the others to chip in........ :-D
    I know there will be a lot of questions...........but I will let the others to help out here.... :-D

    PS........spoon feeding the child always and all the way will spoil the child for sure....... :-)) :-D
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    Post edited by Shukri at 2012-09-11 01:15:59 am
  • DanleeDanlee September 2012
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    Just want to share what I have learnt from the sifus and forum. There are three aspects to achieve good grow-out results.

    1. Selecting koi
    I must say a lot of choosing the winning koi has to do with luck. First of all, many GOs are based on draw lots,,,, so you may not get the koi you wanted. Also, I have seen many GO winners are actually from the "rejects". A case in point is the recent Hoshikin GO GC was actually from the "rejects". The winner Bro Wong actually came late and was the last to choose after everyone have done their selections. As for me, there is no difference whether I am choosing a GO koi or non-GO koi. My main criteria is to keep the koi long term but it will be an additional bonus if I win the GO along the way. So, my selection criterias are in the following order : - 1) good chance of being female (even though male has better chance of winning in GO) 2) body structure and potential to grow big 3) pattern.

    I am not really an expert here... Please refer attached threads for experts' tips on this.

    http://koianswers.com/discussion/1778/choosing-the-desired-tosai/p1

    http://www.mykoikichi.com/koi_appreciation/choosing-young-koi-with-potential-part-1-of-2/

    http://www.mykoikichi.com/niigata_news/choosing-young-koi-with-potential-part-2-of-2/

    2. Growing koi
    I think this is the most important phase of the grow-out since size does matter in GO (Hoshikin GO judges confimed this point as well). Typically, GO range from 3 months to 6 months. So, you do not have much time to grow your koi especially when you have a very comprehensive quarantine process that may take up to 3 weeks. The focus for the initial few months should be on growth (both length wise and girth wise). As you maybe aware, the pre-requisite for achieving good growth is good water with high oxygen level. You can refer to my thread below on some of the my periodic water management practices. No backbreaking no gain... banghead banghead banghead :-)) :-)) :-))

    http://koianswers.com/discussion/489/daniels-pond-koi/p8

    I also feed more high growth, high protein food and my own paste food during this "growth period".. Again, you can refer to my thread above for more information. During this period, you also need to watch carefully to ensure the hi plate is not overstretched. You should balance high growth food with some colour food during this period to minimze overstretching.

    3. Preparing koi
    Ideally, you should start preparing and conditioning the koi 1 month before the GO judging day. I would start switching gradually from high growth and high protein food to 100% wheatgerm. The total amount of food should also be reduced gradually during this period. This will promote the consolidation and enhancement of the colour and shine on the koi. Recently, I found feeding 20% of Hi-Silk Kenkokanri koi food in the last couple of weeks did help to improve the shiroji, I would then fast my koi in QT tank 1 week before the show. Again, you can refer to the attached thread for more details on how to prepare koi for show.

    http://www.mykoikichi.com/koi-event/how-to-prepare-koi-for-show/

    I hope you find the above useful. Thanks,
  • harry_luhurharry_luhur September 2012
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    In Indonesia,we have a different term about grow out. Grow Out mean that all kois from the same batch is keep in the same pond during some period of time, it is similar to asia grow out. Keeping Contest is where the same batches of koi keep in hobbyist pond. GO is a test of our selecting skill and a lot of luck and a lot of prayer, while KC also include our husbandry skill.

    Selecting koi also fun, and as bro Daniel mention that first option doesn't always win an GO event, the percentage based from what i experience and notice, even low than 50%. Choosing from draw lot based on internet require a lot of luck and fast connection. And Asia Cup model drawing is also quite good, but i experience last Asia Cup in Indonesia is i have 4 fish based on cust request, and if i remember correctly, i got no 38 for first koi and most koi are taken.

    On every GO, there are always a few favorite kois. Many have cancel due to his/her favorite koi already taken. And this is actually hurt the brotherhood and sisterhood spirit. For me, GO event is more than win or lose, it is an event where i meet a fellow koikichi, have fun and talked about this hobby.

    Something crossed my mine while i write this to make koi selecting more fun. All register partipants have a number so is the koi. The ballot drawing is draw the partisipant number and then the koi number. So we all will never know which koi we will get. And everyone will get the same opportunity to get the favorite koi, either our name come first or last.
    Regards,

    Harry Luhur
  • niveknivek September 2012
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    Very good learning. Thanks for sharing :)
  • ikankoikauikankoikau September 2012
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    Good morning kichis,

    Good topic bro James esp during this GO fever. As for me,my experience is very much limited as I only joint 2 of it, last year Yamakoshi Cup and recent Hoshikin GO. I was lucky to at least win something on both GO. I was disappointed on the Hoshikin GO due to the losses of some potential candidates. But that it what GO all about. The overall skills, knowledge and of course luck.

    As for me, the selection for GO will also involved long term potential. But there are some kois which by looking at it, you will know roughly it's potential to win the GO. Some, you can just forget about it.

    Choosing Koi(only for gosanke varieties)
    Bare in mind that the long term consideration is also included. To have THE CHANCE in GO,

    1) forget about those koi with loose sashi or kiwa. If it's still ok to have 2 scales sashi for long-term but definitely not for GO. Sharp sashi will be very good for GO. This will give a clean look. All GC will have "the clean look". Obvious secondary hi is a big no for GO.

    2) go for whiter shiroji among that batch. It is easier to groom koi with white shiroji as this will indicate that the koi has stronger stress resistance among the batch and remember that they will compete among themselves again one day. White shiroji will portray better beni or sumi as the colour contras will be much better. Good example, bro Felix showa that won last year Yamakoshi Cup. Nothing to shock about in body and pattern at that time but very good shiroji and beni. Sumi were not much at that time. I bet you, no GC in GO event has been won by poor or average shiroji quality.

    3) Mark given for body is not as much as competing in a normal show. But reasonable body is a must. For this, avoid too skinny koi(among them) regardless of the pattern as this will indicate that the koi is either sick or not eating much. You might get the same problem when you take it home and worst case, it doesn't bulk up enough within the given GO period. Long body(not skinny) is still the best for GO and long term as judges didn't judge the bulkiness that much compared to bigger koi in a normal show.

    4) Go for reasonably good beni. Bright might favour male koi but it is good for GO. Still female koi can have good beni nowadays as I have seen this personally. Good beni must have the shine. For those who saw my koi that won the longest koi in Hoshikin GO will agree that even tho my koi grew fast, the beni was not bad. 3 weeks ago(when she was sick), the beni was very2 thin but it came out reasonable well during the conditioning period. This koi was actually my secret weapon as the beni was even and has a lot of shine onto it.

    5) Go for no flaw pattern. E.g of flaw pattern, no beni on the head, too much beni on the pactoral fins, no sumi at all for showa or sanke and etc.

    Will all these on a koi, that koi will have good chance to go for the GC. Extra point: strong tail tube but not short koi, solid kata sumi and good unique pattern placement.

  • HDCuHDCu September 2012
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    Can anybody post a picture of the GC of the Hoshikin Go so those who have not seen it may have idea why it won?
  • ShukriShukri September 2012
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    I honestly hope that Bro Thiamhwa (to me is another Grow Out specialist) can spare some time from his busy schedule to update us on his methodology in grooming a winning koi. :-D

    One strategy that I forgot to mention is that go ahead and get at least 3 pieces rather than one, simply because we do not know which among the fishes will bear a long body when it grows, and which will maintain the color and shine when it grows......

    More kois means more chances to win...........just this probability theory thing....... :-D

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  • ShukriShukri September 2012
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    I have a question to both Bro Daniel and Captain,
    Inspite of the healthy growth, I notice that you guys are able to hold the Beni from thinning. Can you guys share with us, how both of you manage to do that? :-D

    Because my fish didn't grow anywhere close to you guys, and yet the Beni is very thin and
    stretched. What's your secret Bros? :-D
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    Post edited by Shukri at 2012-09-11 02:10:10 pm
  • JamesJames September 2012
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    Bro Thiam Hwa picked this koi for GC in a discussion with me. I was skeptical as I highlighted the sashi and uneven beni tone on the tail section. So Bro Thiam Hwa share with us in detail why u think she should win, other than the body conformation you were looking at.

    My pick from the show ground came in 1st and 2nd prize.
  • ThiamHwaThiamHwa September 2012
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    Bro. James,

    The GC koi has a simple 2 step balance and pleasing pattern with a good future body shape. Although the beni quality do not have the strong beni colour unlike the other koi, it won in it's evenly distribution of beni luster quality.

    I think one is always attracted to striking beep beni colour and unique pattern so much so that a simple and pleasing pattern is not our choice of pick. Hence, it is always an interesting koi appreciation lesson learned during a GO judging or Koi Show. Thank you.
    Post edited by ThiamHwa at 2012-09-11 07:38:39 pm
  • BthineshkumarBthineshkumar September 2012
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    Very knowledgeable topic (Y)
  • ThiamHwaThiamHwa September 2012
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    Bro. Shukri,

    I am certainly not a Grow-out koi specialist. Just lucky sometime. That's all.

    If a GO tosai koi is a shy eater, there ain't much that one could do even if one will to partition the pond to seperate this koi from the rest of the koi in the pond to encourage the koi to eat.

    A good example is my current Yamakoshi Challenge Cup Grow-out Danichi Showa as shown below. I brought this koi home at 17cm and now only measured at 37cm. Good food, good water, high oxygen level with chilled water has not help at all. I think it is all down to genetic. I am afraid that it is not a contender on the 6th. Oct. judging day.

    www.koianswers.com/discussion/download/9160/Yamakoshi Challenge Cup - Danichi 17cm - Feb 12.jpg

    www.koianswers.com/discussion/download/9162/DSC_6682.JPG

    I still have hope for this 2nd.GO Gingrin Shiro. Brought back at 26cm on the 9th. June and now she has grown to 39cm in length. A 13cm growth rate in the last 3 months. I am hoping that she will put on another 7cm more before the judging day. Hopefully, can follow Capt. achievement in getting the prize for Best in Growth Length.

    www.koianswers.com/discussion/download/9161/DSC_6676.JPG
    Post edited by ThiamHwa at 2012-09-11 10:20:24 pm
  • ShukriShukri September 2012
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    Bro Thiamhwa,
    The Ginrin Shiro Utsuri surely looked good.......nice and big and no tummy! Very good la...

    For the Dainichi Showa, could this be a male fish? But the Beni looks female though.....

    That is a lot of truth when you said that the genetics are important plus the koi has to be willing to eat........

    BTW, how did you manage to have that kind of Sumi? Shirogi is white too! You can PM me on your secrets....hehehehehe! :-D
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    Post edited by Shukri at 2012-09-11 10:50:44 pm
  • ThiamHwaThiamHwa September 2012
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    Bro. Shukri,

    Being feeding Saki-Hikari pure white the past 2 months to bring out the shiroji so that the Sumi may have better contrast. Still need some of your Sumi-Up product to bring out the Sumi for 6th. Oct. judging day.

    As for the Danichi Showa, it is probably a male and very shy koi leh.
  • AnuarAnuar September 2012
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    Hands getting itchy already reading this thread....

    I am hoping there will be more gosanke GOs... There are tonnes of things to learn and experience.. The planned non gosanke GO sure adds variety, but i am sure gosanke GOs will attract equal interests.

    Another kohaku GO please... Hehe..
  • ShukriShukri September 2012
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    Hahahahahaha! Bro Anuar cannot tahan already........ :-)) :-D
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  • DanleeDanlee September 2012
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    Bro ThiamHwa,

    For a shy eater, I think your Dainichi growth rate is not too bad at all (an average growth rate of 3cm per month). I am impressed with the shiroji & sumi development of both your koi. Looks like Saki-Hikari pure white is quite effective. Your Ginrun Shiro will be even more stunning once the underlying sumi at back emerge. Great job... my GO Sifu.....
    Post edited by Danlee at 2012-09-11 11:14:23 pm
  • gerrygerry September 2012
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    Bro ThiamHwa,

    That is one awesome-looking shiro!! Superb superb koi.... The showa is not bad too... love the sumi development! :)
  • ThiamHwaThiamHwa September 2012
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    Bro. Daniel,

    Yes, Saki-Hikari pure white is quite effective. Purchased it from Maxkoifarm during the NHA Koi Show.

    There are small Sumi patches on the side at the second half of this Shiro. Hopefully, it will surface in the next 2 - 3 weeks. Fingers crossed and also have added 3 bags of oyster shells over the weekends. Will try any options to bring out the Sumi quality of the koi. That's is Grow-Out crazy, my friend.

    Sis. Gerry, thank you for the compliments.
    Post edited by ThiamHwa at 2012-09-11 11:39:34 pm
  • ShukriShukri September 2012
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    Bro Thiamhwa,
    You can definitely have some. I will try to remember to pass some to you during the Mud Pond harvest. As I am often forgetful, you can get it at my house during the pond visit or anytime when you are in the vicinity of Setiawangsa.......

    Yup, I hugely suspect that the Showa is a male also. But if he takes sinking food, that will be nice, but I guess that you have tried that already........

    Frankly, I like your Ginrin Shiro.........bulky but the tummy is holding up. So is the tail tube....The Mutoguro is there. Once the Sumi emerges in the 3rd sector i.e. the tail tube area, this will be a gorgeous koi. The development at the kata area is good. With deeper ponds, possibly there will be a hump here...........Due to the depth of my pond, quite a number of my kois have developed the hump.

    Right now, I am looking for a 'BAD ASS' looking Ginrin Kohaku for my collection. If you know which dealer has one, please let me know........

    I have this feeling that your Ginrin Shiro will do well on the GO Finals on the 6th of October. I could be there as well to witness the finals........
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  • ThiamHwaThiamHwa September 2012
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    Bro. Shukri,

    Yes, I have tried feeding Prima Plus sinking pellets, but do not notice any effect at all. Hence, I think it is down to the genetic of the koi. Thank you.
  • ShukriShukri September 2012
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    Like I have said, LUCK has a lot to do with it as well...........at least you know that you have done your best.......

    BTW, I have a Dainichi Showa (Sakura Bloodline) that has potential to be a top notch Showa. I will show it to you during the pond visit........and see whether my observation is spot on.....
    I got this piece from the Auction during the last Wakagoi Show. Futoshi Mano was the one that recomended this piece to me, saying that he has selected this piece himself. The interpreter was Konishi San........
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  • pslongpslong September 2012
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    Wah bro Shukri, you have a secret weapon called Sumi-up ar? Faster faster tell la what this secret weapon is la :-D
  • grinkz01grinkz01 September 2012
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    very interesting to see how our malaysian hobbyst interact on grow out (or keeping contest in indonesia)...bring in the kois and to be judge directly, just like a show.
    i am thinking what is in ur mind when decide to participate on GO event?
    1) shortcut win type ----- considering short period of go yet some will push its koi to its limit either in color or bulky body?
    2) try ur husbandry skill? so, u will not so worry on what is described as good tosai is. the point is the way we keep
    3) seeking potential future show koi? ------ i think u will not push the koi till its limit
    4) just having fun? ---- this shall be the platform on friendship but need to think where the koi wil be kept later on (if it turn to be bad koi?)

    while i can describe myself as no. 4 one because i realize i am not a good keeper one nor show lover.....
  • grinkz01grinkz01 September 2012
    Posts: 530
    very interesting to see how our malaysian hobbyst interact on grow out (or keeping contest in indonesia)...bring in the kois and to be judge directly, just like a show.
    i am thinking what is in ur mind when decide to participate on GO event?
    1) shortcut win type ----- considering short period of go yet some will push its koi to its limit either in color or bulky body?
    2) try ur husbandry skill? so, u will not so worry on what is described as good tosai is. the point is the way we keep
    3) seeking potential future show koi? ------ so u will not push the koi till its limit
    4) just having fun? ---- this shall be the platform on friendship but need to think where the koi wil be kept later on (if it turn to be bad koi?)

    while i can describe myself as no. 4 one because i realize i am not a good keeper one nor show lover.....
  • megatronmegatron September 2012
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    Very good GR Shiro bro Thiam Hwa. Good length. I haven't bowl mine to measure yet, but she doesn't look over 40cm yet.
    Don't ask me why!!!
  • AnuarAnuar September 2012
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    Bro Shukri,

    I know you also cannot tahan already.....
  • lautslauts September 2012
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    Bro Grinkz, others

    Or type 5) hobbyist , go and buy the koi you want to keep, regardless of competition or not. If you win anything , consider extra bonus la. i am still keeping 5 out of 6 kois from recent 3 GO , all females. Somehow 4 won prizes including 2 second places and third, in 1st Yamakoshi Cup and Seijuro GO.

    The format of GO are important, no point buying a koi you don't want. You won't have the heart to keep it anyway. You have lost from the start. Sometimes luck is all important, your keeping skill take a back seat when you get to select no 43 out of 45 competitors.

    Good info from bro DanLee and bro TH on GOs , these are truly GO masters. I am always amaze by the size of the kois they bring back to compete. Salute ^:)^ ^:)^

    ts
  • boykoiboykoi September 2012
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    http://forum.cebukoiclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=3412

    Koi no.11 picture

    nice info im getting here bros.and congratulations to your recent hoshikin GO.we are also having our own hoshikin GO contest through our club with 36 participants. got mine last end july at 30cm. now it currently measures 39cm after 7 weeks...managed to hold the beni while improving girth.there are however some clear faults here though having nice pattern.beni on shoulder isnt sharp enough,has some speck on the right fin.any comments sifus?how to imrpove?what do u think i should work on in this koi?judging will be on our december koi show.3 months to go for GO

    http://www.koianswers.com/discussion/download/9180/HOS11A.png
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  • HDCuHDCu September 2012
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    hi Boykoi,

    Not much you can do except grow it more. Looks like you are just doing fine. The small faults are compromise for the affordable price. Is your piece a male? Most serious hobbyist in Manila will not get any male koi.
  • boykoiboykoi September 2012
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    thanks bro HDCU,

    its Mesu,have it checked by my spies beforehand hehehe.its affordable yes because it was bundled up by the club.i have concentrated more on beni keeping and girth,as ive observed,some of its peers are having their beni started to fade and girth isnt even the reason why.the beni didnt dissappoint on this one,hasnt changed its deep orange since day 1 though girth is gaining.i use to pump GO kois too much by hi-pro food and fix the beni later and i found out its not a good idea.that is why i feed 3-5% for of its weight for GO kois with staple,30pct alternate hi-pro and color.IMHO feed rate and amount sometimes are as important as the quality of koi food given.that is why i feed more often by 3 hours interval.
  • HDCuHDCu September 2012
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    Bro Boykoi,

    You are lucky and smart.. When these batch came out, I had the opportunity to look at it and was stunned by the price vis a vis with the size and pattern of these Hoshikin. In fact its hard for beginners to tell whats the difference in quality with regards to Hoshikin jumbo tosai guaranteed female of four times the selling price.(although alot of these high priced hoshikin are now at around 45 cm now at dealers pond even with minimal feeding). You are very lucky and fortunate that you were able to choose a Mesu. I think only less than a third of the growout hoshikin batch were mesu although there were a few male with potentials as well. These days I dont go for male kois even if price is cheaper because it does not make sense to me even if it wins.

    For grow out in open show, I only feed high protein and some spirulina once in a while and fed them as much as 10x a day(rate changes depending on water temp) with high water change rate. Most of my female gosanke from 25 to 27 grew to 46 to 49 cm in nine months with strong even beni and white shiroji during the open show. I had no luck whatsoever with male gosankes though.
  • boykoiboykoi September 2012
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    bro,

    thanks.yup i agree that growth spurts do happen a lot when you concentrate on them in GO contests.your 4.5 cm/month growth is comparable to mine so maybe im doing somehting right hehehe.1cm growth weekly is always a possibility,but keeping with it a strong beni and clean shiroji is more important.if this koi would win,its a bonus.but it wasnt my intention at the onset to win,but to buy this cheap koi and rear it for future satisfaction rather than rearing it to win
  • JamesJames September 2012
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    Many sifus who have won prizes grow their koi in the initial stage and finish them in the final few weeks. This has been the method for kohaku. Question now is does this apply to all varieties? Especially those of showa and sanke?

    Bro Thiam Hwa, your GO ginrin shiro, are u also finishing her this way?
  • ThiamHwaThiamHwa September 2012
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    Bro. James,

    "Polishing koi" before the show is very important to bring up the skin quality where by the shiroji will looks white and the beni and sumi will thicken and shine. I would normally do this say 15 days before the judging day. This coming weekend will be a good day to move the Grow-out koi into the QT for the process to begin.

    Stop feeding and change slightly more than 10% of water everyday so that this will clear and empty the intestine of the koi for the first week. The next 7 days will see more purging of the internal waste and toxin to clear up the skin. During this purging period, make sure that the salination level is kept at around 0.3% to buffer against nitrite spike.

    A senior hobbyist has experienced with a 0.7% salination during this process and his end result was much better than using 0.3% salination. Which ever salt percentage that one is using, please make sure to bring the level of the salt reading back to 0% slowly.

    I do add S1 into the QT during this polishing process plus the lowering down of the water temperature. Thank you.
    Post edited by ThiamHwa at 2012-09-19 11:28:04 pm
  • JamesJames September 2012
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    Bro Thiam Hwa, thanks for explaining this routine. I have never gone thru this process for shows cos no QT, always been underfed and perhaps most of all lazy... :-)) :-))

    And for 1 day shows I sometimes do not fast them too since whatever I do they feed on the algae. But this is a bad idea. Other Kichis should not follow.
    Post edited by James at 2012-09-20 10:57:52 am
  • KahhoeKahhoe September 2012
    Posts: 219
    Bro ThiamHwa and other sifus , as I am a newbie
    Can u teach me how to polish the colour of the shiroji .. As I just realize that I fed the hikari colour food cause the shiroji to be slightly yellowish especially the head area ... So I just started to stop feeding hikari red and only feeding on hikari super pure white yesterday ... Will the colour able to turns back to white shiroji before the show ? As I know it's quite late to polish them ... Thanks

    And do u have any tips on sharpening the edge of beni and also quicken the process of whitening the shiroji ? But I am sastify with the intensity of it's beni ... Thanks very much !!
    Rearing Nishikigoi are very interesting ... Just observe their development ... Everybody loves them =)
  • ShukriShukri September 2012
    Posts: 4,881
    <blockquote rel="Kahhoe">
    Bro ThiamHwa and other sifus , as I am a newbie
    Can u teach me how to polish the colour of the shiroji .. As I just realize that I fed the hikari colour food cause the shiroji to be slightly yellowish especially the head area ... So I just started to stop feeding hikari red and only feeding on hikari super pure white yesterday ... Will the colour able to turns back to white shiroji before the show ? As I know it's quite late to polish them ... Thanks

    And do u have any tips on sharpening the edge of beni and also quicken the process of whitening the shiroji ? But I am sastify with the intensity of it's beni ... Thanks very much !! </blockquote>

    Bro Kahhoe,
    Like that you are not a newbie la........ :-D Hope the Sifus will come to your aid......
    In Koianswers Forum, no one individual is above the rest. This is the Forum for the Koi Community.
  • JamesJames September 2012
    Posts: 1,964
    Bro Shukri, u Sifu ma... What's your take? For me pure White does not work in short span of time.
  • KahhoeKahhoe September 2012
    Posts: 219
    Bro Shukri ... You are the sifu already ... Haha

    Bro James ... Yes .. i understand that ... but have to try hard and see how the apperance of the koi changes in 2 weeks ... Maybe miracle ... haha
    Anyway ... Thanks !!!
    Rearing Nishikigoi are very interesting ... Just observe their development ... Everybody loves them =)

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