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From: Sherrie 11/21/99
Subject: Betta
Posted by (mailto:i121@scatcat.fhsu.edu) Sherrie on November 21, 1999 at 09:21:17:
I recently got a betta. I was reading your e-mail archives, the one on velvet, and was wondering if mine has it. The tips of his fins on the bottom appear whitish. The guy at the pet store said they needed three types of food and he gave me BettaMin (flakes), Bettas (pellets for enhancing color), and Blood Worms. The BettaMin say to feed 2-3 times daily, Bettas 1 daily, and Blood Worms 1-2 weekly. My question is how often do I feed him all of these. Is it something like 8a.m. BettaMin, 3p.m. Bettas, 11p.m. BettaMin on Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, & Saturday. The same schedule for Monday and Thursday with Blood Worms at 7p.m. or is this too much food? Is there a way to treat velvet without using salt or had a snail? I have a snail in the tank with him. I appreciate your help.
Sherrie & Alpa (the Betta)
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From: Clint 11/21/99
Subject: Re: Betta
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 21, 1999 at 10:53:46:
Re: (582) Betta posted by Sherrie on November 21, 1999 at 09:21:17:
Snails aren't that adverse to a little salt in the water, but copper is definately out.
Feeding Bettas is not such a rigid chore as you think, a once a day feeding with different types of foods daily is just right for grown fish, anymore only hurts thrir health and makes more poop.
If the tips of his fins are whitish and maybe a bit clear then he is still growing his fins and there's no need to worry.
Good luck and don't get so worried about it, it's not that complicated, but your concern is admirable.
Clint
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From: marcus 11/20/99
Subject: betta tank mates and spawning
Posted by marcus on November 20, 1999 at 22:48:38:
i just got a 5.5 gallon tank and i bought a betta and 2 african dwarf frogs. is this okay? they seem to be fine. the betta pays no attention to the frogs (after he realized they weren't small enough to eat and that they weren't a threat to him).
also, i was planning to spawn the betta. i've read your spawning article and the e-mail archive, but i still have a few more questions.
1. will bettas spawn if there are non-fish tank mates (i.e. the frogs) in there with them?
2. if it is okay to keep the frogs in there with the spawning couple, i read in your article that 82 degrees Fahrenheit is the optimum temperature. will the frogs survive this? (obviously, if it's not okay to keep the frogs in there with them, this question is void).
i hope these are easy questions for you fish experts to answer. i'll be back soon.
thanks,
marcus
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From: Clint 11/21/99
Subject: Re: betta tank mates and spawning
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 21, 1999 at 10:48:20:
Re: (580) betta tank mates and spawning posted by marcus on November 20, 1999 at 22:48:38:
Hi Marcus,
It's never an advantage to have other fish (or frogs) in a spaning tank. The frogs will find the eggs and eat them.
Just keeping the frogs and Betta together is fine.
Dwarf African Frogs have no problems with 82F, they have a large temperature tolerance, they just slow down when it's cold and speed up when it's warm.
You'll have to have more than one tank to spawn Bettas anyway, you need a place to raise the fry.
Good Luck,
Clint
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From: Diana 11/21/99
Subject: Re: betta tank mates and spawning
Posted by (mailto:Karmarats@aol.com) Diana on November 21, 1999 at 08:25:53:
Re: (580) betta tank mates and spawning posted by marcus on November 20, 1999 at 22:48:38:
I personaly dont think it would be a good Idea to have the frog/Betta set up for a spawning situation
here are some reasons.
the frog Might eat all of the eggs OR The fry, asuming they live to the free swimming stage, will need to remain in the same container till they are old enough to be moved with as little disturbance in the water as possable to prevent them from deformations. The frog may see them as a sourse of food.
The frog could be be suseptible to the High heat and elevated humidity. Increesed risk for desease.
The male betta who will be carring for the eggs will be verry teritorial and the presence of the frog may stress him too much. he may even attack the frog if he sences his eggs are in danger.
I have more.. but I think you have my point
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From: Tyesha 11/19/99
Subject: Betta's Fins
Posted by (mailto:Mahogany_Eyes@hotmail.com) Tyesha on November 19, 1999 at 14:41:33:
Well, a couple of months ago my Betta's fins, which had gotten prettty long anyways, had started to split. Now the ones on his back side look as though that have shed to atleast half the length that they were. I was thinking that it was fin rot but other than the fact that his fins have shed, everything seems fine with him. He's eating the way that he always has, there are no unnusual markings on him. The area where the shedding has occured looks rather ragged because his fins had started to split but other than that nothing has changed. I have him in the same 10 gallon tank with my Angel with a divider separating them because they fight so much and nothing is the matter with my Angel fish. What could this be? I have had the Betta for about 3 or 4 months now and he is pretty big. Just about the biggest one that I have had thus far.
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From: Clint 11/19/99
Subject: Re: Betta's Fins
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 19, 1999 at 17:24:47:
Re: (578) Betta's Fins posted by Tyesha on November 19, 1999 at 14:41:33:
It's not uncommon for a Bettas fins to split. Thats especially true if he has a lot of swimming room, thats why a lot of "show" Bettas are kept in the small jars.
They should heal up soon with no problem. He was probably shadow boxing with the Angel or his own reflection.
But just in case I'll give my standard cure-all, add a little salt to the tank, not much more than a teaspoon per galoon should be fine.
Also make sure he's getting some "fresh" foods, something like frozen brine shrimp, or chopped earthworms, frozen bloodworms etc, something thats not dried. Flakes are good but all living things need some "fresh" foods.
I think I'll have an apple.
Clint
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From: Kristen 11/19/99
Subject: Apple snails
Posted by Kristen on November 19, 1999 at 11:18:02:
Kitty Fish and Clint,
I did a little reading up on these guys (one thing I learned from this message board is research before you buy anything!) and the local pet stores around where I live sell basically 2 sizes - apple snails that grow to about the diameter of a quarter (ok for a 10 gallon tank) and then (as the guy I talked to decribed) the racquet ball-size variety! I think the big one could eat half a lettuce a week! I found a very informative website on apple snails, too.
The address is huizen.dds.nl/~snc/
I know the address looks a little odd, but the link does work. Anyhow, the site really gives you the rundown on what you need to know about these snails. Maybe a link to add to Petfish?
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From: Diana 11/19/99
Subject: FISHLESS CYCLING
Posted by (mailto:Karmarats@oal.com) Diana on November 19, 1999 at 07:27:31:
I mannaged to find my fishy disk so here it is. I hope many of you will try this. it works, its fast and safe !!Cycling Without Fish
For many years, the common method of cycling a tank has been to set everything up, then add a few hardy or "disposable" (a tern that I personally find somewhat offensive) fish, then wait 4-6 weeks until the bacterial colonies which convert ammonia into nitrites into nitrates have become established. It is very common at this point for the stress caused by toxic ammonia and / or nitrites to kill some or in extreme cases all of your starter fish, no matter how hardy they're supposed to be. In addition, it's a well known fact that the damage caused by high ammonia levels to the gills of a fish is, to some extent at least, permanent. Once the tank has been fully cycled, you can start adding fish slowly, usually at a rate of a couple every week or two, until capacity is reached. This slow addition allows time for the relatively small bacteria culture on your filter to grow until it can handle the increased bioload. If done incorrectly, for example by adding too many fish at once after the cycle, an ammonia/nitrites spike can occur before the bacterial colony can adjust.
What is the effect of the fish added during cycling? Quite simply, through their digestive tracts and the food that we feed them, they are a source of ammonia, which the beneficial bacteria require to live and to multiply. While the above method is the traditional way of cycling a tank, it is neither the only nor the best way..
In order to properly cycle a tank, all that's required is the filter media, water movement (to supply oxygen to the bacterial colonies, an introduction of the right type of bacteria, and a source of ammonia. The best and most efficient source of ammonia is (surprisingly) pure ammonia. The household cleaning variety is perfect for this use, but make sure that it does not contain any additives or perfumes before using!
In order to cycle a tank using ammonia, start everything up and add some gravel from an established tank or a few potted plants (their roots contain all of the necessary bacteria, and the plants themselves do not seem to be harmed by this process). Then simply add 4-5 drops of ammonia per 10 gallons per day until you get a nitrite spike. Once you have nitrites, cut the ammonia back to 2-3 drops per 10 gallons per day until the nitrites disappear. When you get a 0 ppm nitrites reading, you have a fully cycled tank.
The advantages to this method are several. First and most importantly, in my reckoning, is that no fish are harmed during the cycling process. This means that you don't have to risk the fish you really want in the tank to a nasty death, or alternatively, find a new home for several fish that you were using to cycle the tank and no longer want. Secondly, no matter how cheap the fish, I can guarantee that 10 or 20 mL of ammonia is cheaper!
Thirdly, and this is of particular interest, the tank will cycle much faster by this method. I have used this method twice, the first time was on a 45 G tank with a fluidized bed filter, the second was on a 10 G tank with a lowly sponge filter. The time for complete cycling of these tanks was 12 days and 14 days respectively. Compare that with the standard method which averages 4-6 weeks.
Finally, once the tank has been cycled, the bacterial colony created by this method can handle a large bioload immediately. The amount of ammonia added to the tank during the cycle is significantly higher than what would be contributed by a small number of hardy fish, therefore, a much larger, healthier bacterial colony exists at the end of the cycle using ammonia than would if you used fish. After cycling my 45 G, I immediately added 6 bosemani rainbowfish, 3 clown loaches and a plecostamus. This is far above the recommended stocking levels at the same stage if I had cycled with fish. All of the fish are very healthy, and there was no ammonia or nitrites spike after the addition of the fish.
The benefits of this method are obvious, and as far as I can tell, there are no disadvantages. Overdosing isn't a problem since there are no fish in the tank. Stop needlessly stressing / killing your fish. The next time you have a tank that you need to cycle, try this out. I guarantee you'll be pleased with the results.
Written by Chris Cow
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From: Diana 11/18/99
Subject: nice message forum
Posted by (mailto:Karmarats@aol.com) Diana on November 18, 1999 at 09:32:19:
Nice place with friendly people, verry few if any flames that I have seen so far.... think I just might stick arround
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:)
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From: Magda 11/18/99
Subject: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by Magda on November 18, 1999 at 08:36:51:
Hello everyone, just found this site. I bought a betta about a month ago from Petco. He looked
fine in the store. But when I set up his 2.5 tank w/ugf I notice that he looked like he swallowed
a 1/2" gravel. It is not dropsy. He has a huge stomach he's also bigger than my other betta,
so, I think he might be an old gent. I was thinking maybe its a hernia (lump inside him). But
could it be parasite? Is there anything I can do for him? He doesn't act like he's suffering. I
posted at another site but didn't get any answers. I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks.
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From: Magda 11/19/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by Magda on November 19, 1999 at 07:47:44:
Re: (557) Betta w/swollen belly posted by Magda on November 18, 1999 at 08:36:51:
Thank you all. He's definitely a male, saw him building
bubbles. There's definitely no sign of dropsy, except for
his huge round belly, the rest of his body is normal. I do
have some salt in the water. I'll get the Maracin II on my
way home. I will start feeding in the morning as well as in
the pm. Again thanks eveybody, maybe the Maracin II will help.
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From: Clint 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly PS
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 18, 1999 at 17:21:50:
Re: (557) Betta w/swollen belly posted by Magda on November 18, 1999 at 08:36:51:
There's always the possibility that he's a she, and filled with eggs. There are some female Bettas with long fins, though it is unusual.
CN
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From: Clint 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 18, 1999 at 17:20:05:
Re: (557) Betta w/swollen belly posted by Magda on November 18, 1999 at 08:36:51:
I think he does have dropsy, just not at an advanced state yet. I'd advise adding a teaspoon of salt per gallon and maybe get some Maracin II, a "store bought" remedy.
The salt will help him equalize the fluids in his body to the water he lives in, and the Maracin is supposed to cure dropsy (I haven't had experience with it) and it certainly can't hurt anything.
My normal response to questions about Betta life spans is 2 years, but a lucky few can get as old as 4 years old. The ones that live the longest are one that lived in real tanks, not bowls (usually). Nothing about fishkeeping is always right. or never say never etc.
Clint
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From: Eddie 11/19/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by Eddie on November 19, 1999 at 14:13:14:
Re: (568) Re: Betta w/swollen belly posted by Clint on November 18, 1999 at 17:20:05:
If Maracin doesn't work, try Jungle's Fungus Eliminator, it cures many diseases including dropsy.
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From: Diana 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by (mailto:Karmarats@aol.com) Diana on November 18, 1999 at 09:23:42:
Re: (557) Betta w/swollen belly posted by Magda on November 18, 1999 at 08:36:51:
If he shows no signes of suffering or being uncomfortable then Im not sure what might be going on. if his waste looks normal and he is happy then I would leave him be. However if he is constipated thats another story, constipation can cause your betta to look a bit.. fat.
2ways Ive found to tell if the male betta is an Older fish have to do with the finnage... is it long? I meen REALLY long? and does it kind of curl or crinkel arround the edges?
if the answers are yes then in my experiance you have an Older fish.
Ive had several of my male bettas live to a ripe Old age of 4 years and in allmost every one of them they have gotten a bit fatish with long crinkely fins.
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From: Magda 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by Magda on November 18, 1999 at 12:58:16:
Re: (558) Re: Betta w/swollen belly posted by Diana on November 18, 1999 at 09:23:42:
Diana thanks for the answer. His fins are long but I think normal for bettas, they do not curl or crinkle
around the edges. What make me think he might be old is his length (about 2"). I don't think comstipation
(though he could be) make him look like a pregnant woman on her 9+ (overdue)month. I will let him be. He's
a beautiful fish. I'm only feeding once a day; 2 tiny betta pellet and 2 freezedried bloodworm. Thank you again.
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From: Diana 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by (mailto:Karmarats@aol.com) Diana on November 18, 1999 at 14:45:35:
Re: (563) Re: Betta w/swollen belly posted by Magda on November 18, 1999 at 12:58:16:
Watch him for any signs of constipation.
and since you said it wasn't dropsy I guess you know what to look for there too.
IMHO-
you might want to up the feedings to more than once a day @2 pellets after you find out if he is naturaly fat or if there is a problem.
My feeding scedual is this and I have had healthy happy bettas.
2 baby cichlid pellets in the morning (6is AM for me)
1 grindle worm or 1 pellet arround noonish.
1 pellet around 10pm.
Of course I keep mine in habitats ranging between 1gal (the tiny one) to 10 gallons.
feel free to email me if you want/need more info or just want to chatt about bettas.
Diana
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From: kitty fish 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Betta w/swollen belly
Posted by (mailto:thunder_peel@yahoo.com) kitty fish on November 18, 1999 at 15:07:03:
Re: (564) Re: Betta w/swollen belly posted by Diana on November 18, 1999 at 14:45:35:
not to scare anyone, but i had a real fat betta for a while. he stayed fat and got fatter for about a month before developing dropsy and finally kicking it... id watch that betta close and keep water in top condition. good luck!
kitty fish
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From: LindaB 11/18/99
Subject: Re: yippee!!!
Posted by (mailto:Belinda@vax2.concordia.ca) LindaB on November 18, 1999 at 05:54:35:
Re: (549) Re: yippee!!! posted by Clint on November 17, 1999 at 21:41:28:
Believe him. I started with a 20, moved up to a 50, and now have my eye on an 86 gallon tank that is just unbelievable. He's right about the money too, you just want to give them the best of everything.
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From: Kristen 11/17/99
Subject: Cories and Gravel
Posted by Kristen on November 17, 1999 at 09:15:54:
I found an article saying that cory cats need fine gravel (almost sand) on the tank bottom or else their barbels could wear down and that can cause problems for them. In a 10 gallon tank that I just set up the gravel is on the larger side (although certainly not "rocky"). Will this be a problem for the cories when I start to populate the tank? If cories are not a good choice with the larger bottom gravel, what would be a suitable bottom feeder? I only found one article like this, so I was hoping to get some other opinions here.
Also, any suggestions on hardy tropical fish for a beginner to start cycling the new tank with? I know the first month is a tough one for new tanks and the key is adding fish slowly.
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From: Diana 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Cories and Gravel
Posted by (mailto:Karmarats@aol.com) Diana on November 18, 1999 at 09:29:46:
Re: (542) Cories and Gravel posted by Kristen on November 17, 1999 at 09:15:54:
Might want to think about Fishless cycling. it is faster easier and harms no fishy friends.
but in the case that you are more comfortable using the old method the others who responded did mention some good options.
personaly I prefer fishless cycling, no one gets hurt, I dont cry cause no one dies or get stuck with fish I dont want and its faster.
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From: Kristen 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Cories and Gravel
Posted by Kristen on November 18, 1999 at 09:44:38:
Re: (559) Re: Cories and Gravel posted by Diana on November 18, 1999 at 09:29:46:
Diana,
Can you explain to me what a fishless cycle is?
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From: Diana 11/19/99
Subject: Re: Cories and Gravel
Posted by (mailto:karmarats@aol.com) Diana on November 19, 1999 at 07:23:03:
Re: (561) Re: Cories and Gravel posted by Kristen on November 18, 1999 at 09:44:38:
I am having trouble finding my disk for fishless cycling. it contains exact measurements of Amonia to add per gallon when doing fishless cycling.
(we just moved and are not quite unpacked yet)
as soon as I find it I'll e mail you the artical that I used as an instruction guide..(I'll also post incase anyone else wants to see it and have a go at it.) The method works verry well and boy was I happy with the results !
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From: wmily 11/18/99
Subject: re: fishless cycling
Posted by (mailto:echang@wso.williams.edu) wmily on November 18, 1999 at 10:51:42:
Re: (561) Re: Cories and Gravel posted by Kristen on November 18, 1999 at 09:44:38:
I've never done it myself, but here is a page that explains the method.
http://www.tomgriffin.com/aquamag/cycle2
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From: Diana 11/19/99
Subject: Re: re: fishless cycling
Posted by (mailto:Karmarats@aol.com) Diana on November 19, 1999 at 09:18:02:
Re: (562) re: fishless cycling posted by wmily on November 18, 1999 at 10:51:42:
OOh an Update on the subject I was not aware of.
Thanks for the new and incredably usefull link!!!
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From: wmily 11/19/99
Subject: ah, well, somebody spends too much time surfing ^^ (n/m)
Posted by (mailto:fuzzy@kurama.zzn.com) wmily on November 19, 1999 at 12:29:37:
Re: (574) Re: re: fishless cycling posted by Diana on November 19, 1999 at 09:18:02:
ah, well, somebody spends too much time surfing ^^
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From: Clint 11/17/99
Subject: Re: Cories and Gravel
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 17, 1999 at 21:37:28:
Re: (542) Cories and Gravel posted by Kristen on November 17, 1999 at 09:15:54:
I think the article you read was either an old one or whoever wrote it got some info from an old source. The problem used to be that some aquarium gravel was made out of glass. And a lot of times there were some very sharp pieces. But "broken glass" gravel is not around anymore. So any regular aquarium gravel will be alright for Cories.
If I were going to cycle an aquariumfrom scratch I think I would get a few apple snails. But in case you arent a snail person you could use a Betta, Zebra danios, or rescue some of those little blond colored feeder fish (called rosies around here).
There was a time I would I might have said with large snails like apples, the eggs take a long while to hatch and are very easy to find and remove. plus, i think ive heard they arent that easy to breed(?). i think they lay their eggs in a slimy little nest above the water. i started with one columbian ramshorn, pretty snail ;), she has one offspring still in the tank. mommy snail has a 3" diameter, baby snail is 1".. ive had the older one for one year in january :) from what i hear, apple snails are really great, but they get BIG! tennis ball sized is common. btw... securing a piece of cuttle bone, made for birds, to the bottom of the tank will really help your snails shells to be shiny and strong, and it shouldnt affect the pH from what ive heard... hth! good luck!
kitty fish
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From: kitty fish 11/17/99
Subject: Re: Cories and Gravel
Posted by (mailto:thunder_peel@yahoo.com) kitty fish on November 17, 1999 at 15:12:24:
Re: (542) Cories and Gravel posted by Kristen on November 17, 1999 at 09:15:54:
not a tropical person, but ive kept cories for just a short while (a few weeks) in my goldfish tank which has about 1" gravel. they did just fine and grew very well! i now have them in a tropical 20 with 1/4-1/2" gravel and they do fine as well. i also have a dojo loach in the tank with the smaller gravel. hes never been in the goldfish tank with the 1" gravel so im not sure how he would do. he seems to like to stick his head under the gravel in the 20 gallon, so maybe he'd like the coves that the larger gravel makes... i dont know :P most recommended fish ive seen for cycling are zebra danios. mine did just fine cycling with platies... good luck!
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From: Belinda 11/16/99
Subject: Kribs
Posted by (mailto:belinda@vax2.concordia.ca) Belinda on November 16, 1999 at 08:29:43:
I have a feeling I am about to have another batch of babies. The mom has mated with a second male, the first having died shortly after the first batch. The problem is that mom seems to be chasing the new dad away from the shell. She won't let him near it (the first one was very close to the shell all the time). Is this something to worry about? Will she let him help with raising the Fry? Thanks.
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From: Belinda 11/17/99
Subject: Re: KribsFollow-up
Posted by (mailto:belinda@vax2.concordia.ca) Belinda on November 17, 1999 at 05:42:23:
Re: (537) Kribs posted by Belinda on November 16, 1999 at 08:29:43:
Well, sure enough I got home and there were several fry swimming around mom. But she does not seem to want to let the father anywhere near them. The other male was always near the fry in the first batch. Was that a one-time thing or was it the norm? I thought the dads had a fin in helping with the young ones.
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From: Clint 11/17/99
Subject: Re: KribsFollow-up
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 17, 1999 at 21:26:02:
Re: (540) Re: KribsFollow-up posted by Belinda on November 17, 1999 at 05:42:23:
Yep the dads usually do lend a helping fin, but not always. She will probably let him get more involved the next time.
Fish behavior is hardly ever "right by the book", they all have their own personalities.
Clint
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From: Kristen 11/16/99
Subject: Filtration for 15g Tank
Posted by Kristen on November 16, 1999 at 05:58:01:
I am new to fish keeping and want to do things right the fisrt time. I haven't bought anything yet and have been doing lots of research. At first I thought I'd only have room for a small tank, but then my roommate and I did some rearranging and found that a 15 gallon tank is not too big (but is the biggest I can go). I'm planning to keep tropical fish and know from info posted to this board that 10 and 15g tanks are too small for goldfish.
Anyhow, is a power filter suitable for this tank size enough filtration? I am planning to keep small fish probably starting with platies and some cories. The biggest I'd go fish size is maybe 3-4 inches (gourami size) and then I'd have less of the small fish. Anyhow, I'd like to go to the aquarium store knowing what I want/need so I don't end up with something I don't!
Thanks!
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From: Clint 11/17/99
Subject: Re: Filtration for 15g Tank
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 17, 1999 at 21:20:48:
Re: (535) Filtration for 15g Tank posted by Kristen on November 16, 1999 at 05:58:01:
Yes, a hang-on-the-back type power filter would be great. Get one with a biowheel and it would be just about perfect.
The rate you're going you'll have a 55 gallon some time next week.
Clint
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From: Kristen 11/18/99
Subject: Re: Filtration for 15g Tank
Posted by Kristen on November 18, 1999 at 06:10:10:
Re: (545) Re: Filtration for 15g Tank posted by Clint on November 17, 1999 at 21:20:48:
Clint,
Yes, I know my postings to this board may be a bit confusing. I ended up with the 10 gallon once I got out the tape measure out and thought about what I should do realistically. I sent an email to your new address with the details!
And about the 55 gallon tank you see in my future... I think I'd like to be in my own house for that, not just an apartment with year long leases. I can see moving a 10 gallon tank with most of it's original water, but I think my boyfriend would draw the line at hauling 50+ gallon jugs of water and helping me refill the tank. I have friends that did a local move with a 30 gallon tank and it took them a full day to drain, move, re-set up, and refill the tank! Maybe someday, though. Definitely not out of the question if all goes well!
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From: Clint 11/15/99
Subject: My email has changed
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 15, 1999 at 16:03:59:
My email has changed from clint@petfish.net to norwood@alaweb.com.
clint@petfish will work too, it's just a forwarding thing, but it will always work.
It's nice to have hidden from all the spam for a while though.
Clint
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From: IT 11/15/99
Subject: Goldfish
Posted by IT on November 15, 1999 at 10:28:37:
I would like to get an algae eater for my tank which house 2 oranda goldfish. Is that
recommended and if it is, what kind of algae eater should I get. Any response is greatly
appreciated!
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From: kitty fish 11/15/99
Subject: Re: Goldfish
Posted by (mailto:thunder_peel@yahoo.com) kitty fish on November 15, 1999 at 14:19:57:
Re: (530) Goldfish posted by IT on November 15, 1999 at 10:28:37:
there arent really any algae eaters that are suitable to be kept with goldfish. plecos have been known to attack slow-moving goldfish, like your orandas to eat their slime coat. cae's sae's and otos have also been known to do the same. best bet would be a snail, or leave it... its not that hard to scrape off anyhow ;) good luck!
kitty fish
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From: Kristen 11/15/99
Subject: Web site to check out.
Posted by Kristen on November 15, 1999 at 09:13:13:
Everyone,
Check out this website - www.advancedtidalsystems.com
This company actually designs elaborate marine aquarium systems regulated by computer software programs! Pretty cool. The aquariums are huge and the software controls such things are tides, waterfalls, filtration, aeration, and waves. Part of the setup is a laptop computer! The systems they set up are so elaborate they send their own staff to maintain the aquariums in most cases. Each system requires generator backup in case of a power failure. And the real kicker is that they will custom design aquariums such as this for your home. Can you imagine the price of these things? I am in software myself and that's why I found this site rather interesting. I've never heard of something like this before. Enjoy!
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From: s`A^o 11/15/99
Subject: Photographing fish and their tanks
Posted by (mailto:sao@chaos.net.au) s`A^o on November 15, 1999 at 08:22:11:
I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas about photographing aquariums..
So far I've been an ISO 100 film with a flash to take photos of the individual fish - and this works when the fish behave.. (ie when they sit still for a bit)
However taking photos of the whole tank has proved to be a bit harder. Using the 100 film and flash as expected produces a halo, and if Im lucky, my own reflection is shown :P I've also tried using a ISO 400 film but there isn't enough light and the shutter speed stays open too long and the shots are blurred.
I've tried a digital camera (to try and save on processing costs) but there seemed to be a lag of about 1 second during which the fish decided to be fish and swim around.
Anyhow, if anyone has any other ideas of how to take photos of aquariums, please let me know. Ive got a Cannon EOS and a vivitar 636AF TTl flash.
For anyone interested, one of my tanks is on my web page and so are some of the fish (there are the few shots that have turned out decently after much wasted processing) www.iinet.net.au/~milokek/mytanks.htm
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From: s`A^o 11/17/99
Subject: Re: Photographing fish and their tanks
Posted by (mailto:kek@cs.curtin.edu.au) s`A^o on November 17, 1999 at 08:02:05:
Re: (528) Photographing fish and their tanks posted by s`A^o on November 15, 1999 at 08:22:11:
Hey,
For anyone interested, I've just uploaded a semi- decent photo of my 4ft tank and also a few of its inhabitants
Sao
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From: stuart smith 11/16/99
Subject: Re: Photographing fish and their tanks
Posted by (mailto:stumars@hotmail.com) stuart smith on November 16, 1999 at 02:26:32:
Re: (528) Photographing fish and their tanks posted by s`A^o on November 15, 1999 at 08:22:11:
hey u have some nice pics of your 2 foot aquarium.
so what type of filter system do u have going on the 2 foot tank.
do u
live in australia too.
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From: s`A^o 11/16/99
Subject: Re: Photographing fish and their tanks
Posted by (mailto:kek@curtin.edu.au) s`A^o on November 16, 1999 at 06:44:08:
Re: (534) Re: Photographing fish and their tanks posted by stuart smith on November 16, 1999 at 02:26:32:
Thanx
Ive got a mini aquaclear filter in the two foot tank (;
ANd yup, Im in Perth, Australia.. where abouts are you??
Cheers..
Sao
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From: stuart smith 11/16/99
Subject: Re: Photographing fish and their tanks
Posted by stuart smith on November 16, 1999 at 14:46:20:
Re: (536) Re: Photographing fish and their tanks posted by s`A^o on November 16, 1999 at 06:44:08:
NSW.
theres not to many other austarlians on here
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From: Clint 11/15/99
Subject: Re: Photographing fish and their tanks
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 15, 1999 at 16:08:14:
Re: (528) Photographing fish and their tanks posted by s`A^o on November 15, 1999 at 08:22:11:
You have some great pictures of your tanks.
I don't know diddley about photography though.
I have been using a video capture thing called "Snappy". I have found that if you get a close up that fills the whole picture then you can decrease the size to half or quarter and get a lot better looking oicture.
Maybe I'll get a digital camera from Santa, but until then I do know that for some reason video cameras take better underwater pictures than regular cameras.
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From: Toni 11/14/99
Subject: Swordtails
Posted by Toni on November 14, 1999 at 20:21:37:
All my male swordtails keep getting out of the tank. I keep a cover on it but they keep ending up on the floor.
What can I do to stop them from getting out.
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From: Clint 11/16/99
Subject: Re: Swordtails
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 16, 1999 at 17:50:32:
Re: (527) Swordtails posted by Toni on November 14, 1999 at 20:21:37:
Swords are very good jumpers. If there's even a small opening in the tank cover (check around the filter) they will find it.
If you do happen to find one that is still alive after being out of the tank for a while be sure to isolate it because they almost always get a infection or fungus attack and it can spread to the other fish.
Clint
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From: stuart smith 11/11/99
Subject: bala sharks
Posted by stuart smith on November 11, 1999 at 16:01:58:
hi
my 2 bala sharks which ive had a while are doing well. its just this morning when i went to feed my fish the 2 sharks were swimming around everywere. They usually only saty in one area.
But they were swimming around everwere side by side banging there tails on each other. Theve been doing this all day banging each others tails they seem to be happy while doing this is the first time this has ever happened.
Any reasons why they would be doing this.
they rub side by side all day twisting tail in and out of each others tails it looks exremely wierd and i no it couldnt be them mating cose that is rare isnt it.
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From: Clint 11/11/99
Subject: Re: bala sharks
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 11, 1999 at 16:59:15:
Re: (517) bala sharks posted by stuart smith on November 11, 1999 at 16:01:58:
Spawning them is extremely rare. If you do get some eggs or something you need to keep up with the whole situation very closely to try to find out what prompted it.
You do seem to have a lot of interesting things happen in your tanks.
Clint
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From: Eddie 11/12/99
Subject: Re: bala sharks
Posted by Eddie on November 12, 1999 at 14:33:18:
Re: (521) Re: bala sharks posted by Clint on November 11, 1999 at 16:59:15:
Bala sharks need to be at least five inches to breed, how big are they anyway?
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From: stuart smith 11/12/99
Subject: Re: bala sharks
Posted by stuart smith on November 12, 1999 at 20:17:55:
Re: (524) Re: bala sharks posted by Eddie on November 12, 1999 at 14:33:18:
id say theyd be about nealy aaround 5 inches long
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From: Eddie 11/13/99
Subject: Re: bala sharks
Posted by Eddie on November 13, 1999 at 07:42:49:
Re: (525) Re: bala sharks posted by stuart smith on November 12, 1999 at 20:17:55:
Oh cool, well just be prepared for both an illness and caring for eggs. Just in case they aren't in spawning behavior.
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From: TT 11/11/99
Subject: Beaten Guppy
Posted by (mailto:Taachan11@aol.com) TT on November 11, 1999 at 13:24:55:
I have recently bought a male Betta and 3 Guppies and mix them in a 20G gank. Well, right after I put them together, the Betta started picking on the red Guppy - I guess because they both had similar color. Now the tail of my red Guppy is almost gone and she always hides in the plants.
What can I do to cure this red Guppy ? She doesn't even seem to have any appetite. Would it cure by itself if I leave her alone ? By the way, I don't have a quarantine tank.
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From: Clint 11/11/99
Subject: Re: Beaten Guppy
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 11, 1999 at 16:56:34:
Re: (516) Beaten Guppy posted by TT on November 11, 1999 at 13:24:55:
Theres no doubt that the Betta thought the Guppy was another male Betta. He did the natural thing and started fighting. They ain't real smart you know. But like a natural blonde their looks make up for it.
Anyway you need to separate the Betta and the Guppy. You can allways put the Betta in a small fish bowl or a jar, or get one of those "Betta Barracks" things where you can keep Bettas separated but in the same tank.
I think the Guppy will recover without much trouble if it's separated from the Betta, you can add a little salt to the water to speed up the healing.
Good Luck,
Clint
(Sorry Blondes, I couldn't resist)
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From: Juli 11/10/99
Subject: betta and peace lilly
Posted by (mailto:jjb@whidbey.net) Juli on November 10, 1999 at 22:09:46:
Has anyone ever heard of putting a beta in a bowl w/ a peace lilly. A friend of mine has had such an arrangement for five months and claims that the bowl needs no care at all (no feeding, no cleaning, nothing) as the plant and fish live in a sybiotic relationship.
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From: Clint 11/11/99
Subject: Re: betta and peace lilly
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 11, 1999 at 16:47:40:
Re: (512) betta and peace lilly posted by Juli on November 10, 1999 at 22:09:46:
I got an email about this already so I have already answered it. But it will work because the plant is a lot bigger than the Betta, it eats all the Betta waste. The Betta is probably eating bugs that are atrracted to the plant.
I have a image of the set-up in my mind, Peace Lilly's are a bog plant so I see it as a fish bowl with gravel and a Peace Lilly planted in the gravel but growing well out of the bowl.
It's possible that the setup is outside for the Summer, that way the Betta will get it's fill of insects to eat and rain for an occasional water change or addition.
I aggree with Eddie that the fish does need some additonal food, and an occasional water change would be beneficial, but I am not surprised that it works well.
I am going to try a variation of it myself.
Clint
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From: Eddie 11/11/99
Subject: Re: betta and peace lilly
Posted by Eddie on November 11, 1999 at 06:09:17:
Re: (512) betta and peace lilly posted by Juli on November 10, 1999 at 22:09:46:
Bettas NEED live food to live, they don't eat plants whatsoever, they eat bloodworms, mosquito larvae, etc. but not plants. After a while the water in the bowl will go bad.
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From: Amber 11/10/99
Subject: Another sick betta..is this a pattern??
Posted by Amber on November 10, 1999 at 19:54:37:
However, it's not mine this time, thank god! A girl in my suite is having problems with hers - I don't know the bowl conditions or anything like that, but the most likely cause of whatever is neglect and poor water conditions. Symptoms : Listless, clamped fins, kind of floats, maybe bloated (I didn't look at the fish much before this). So, how does it look? I have some meds I could give her, but the fish wouldn't eat the tetra medica...I salted the tank - any ideas what this could be? If there's any hope? Thanks
Amber
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From: Clint 11/11/99
Subject: Re: Another sick betta..is this a pattern??
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 11, 1999 at 16:49:49:
Re: (511) Another sick betta..is this a pattern?? posted by Amber on November 10, 1999 at 19:54:37:
First a water change, and the salt treatment, add a copper med if you have it.
Sounds like it may have already gone past the point of no return, but Bettas are very hardy so theres still a good chance he will recover.
Clint
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From: stuart smith 11/10/99
Subject: bottom feeders
Posted by stuart smith on November 10, 1999 at 17:12:21:
i already have 4 emerald catfish doing well in my 55g.
i was wondering if adding some khuli loaches in. Would that be overcrowding the bottom.
and or some of those otoclinus like mentioned in the below message for algae eaters.
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From: Clint 11/10/99
Subject: Re: bottom feeders
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 10, 1999 at 18:09:37:
Re: (509) bottom feeders posted by stuart smith on November 10, 1999 at 17:12:21:
Yes they would be a great addition. Depending on what else you have besides the Khuli's (OK Eddie?) they shouldn't cause an over crowding problem.
I personally don't have much success with Oto's, they must be my nemisis, I can't keep em alive for more than 3 months.
Clint
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From: LindaB 11/11/99
Subject: Re: bottom feeders
Posted by (mailto:belinda@vax2.concordia.ca) LindaB on November 11, 1999 at 05:37:33:
Re: (510) Re: bottom feeders posted by Clint on November 10, 1999 at 18:09:37:
I had a couple of Oto's at one time. I don't know why, but they started to hang onto the bigger fish, especially the discus. It nearly drove him mad. Now I have put my last one in my 20gl with my baby kribs. They seem to be doing well. Is this the norm for oto's or was there something peculiar with my discus. It has been at least 6 months and he is doing very well with no sign of problems. (I should mention he is at least 4 inches top fin to bottom fin.) Can Oto's become agressive as they get older?
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From: LindaB 11/10/99
Subject: Plecos!
Posted by (mailto:Belinda@vax2.concordia.ca) LindaB on November 10, 1999 at 07:47:06:
It seems that plecos really get too big for my tank (50 gl). I would really like to get something smaller. I have been reading about these coolie loaches. Are they bottom feeders? Would they help in keeping the food waste down? What about something small for algae? I read an article about plecos that they really are not that great for algae, they seem to prefer meatier stuff. Suggestions would be appreciated.
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From: Eddie 11/10/99
Subject: Re: Plecos!
Posted by Eddie on November 10, 1999 at 16:05:50:
Re: (506) Plecos! posted by LindaB on November 10, 1999 at 07:47:06:
Kuhli(mistakenly coolie, sorry Clint) loaches are great bottom feeders, for that size tank get at least 4, the more the more they will come out. Otocinclus are great, small algae eaters that grow at the most 2 inches, get at least five, they like to hang out together, don't get more than 5 or else there will no be enough algae to go around.
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From: Clint 11/09/99
Subject: Free Aquarium Homepage - The Survey Page
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 09, 1999 at 20:14:32:
There's a new survey page. Please take the time to add your input.
Anyway one of the questions was what would interest you the most, and one of the choices is a free aquarium webpage. 3 people have chosen that answer so far (it's been up 2 days) and I'd like to officially make the offer for Your Own Free Aquarium Home Page.
(form.htm) Email me for questions about it.
It would be easy. If you already know some how to make a webpage, just send me the files. If you don't then just send me a text file with what you want to say, your email if you want it on there, and any pictures you'd like to include, and tell me sort of how you want it to look.
I'll make it as easy as possible.
PS whoever is voting 3 times a day for Angelfish, please stop!!
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From: wmily 11/08/99
Subject: betta in 2.5g tank
Posted by (mailto:emily.h.chang@williams.edu) wmily on November 08, 1999 at 22:06:34:
I'm wondering if it would be possible to fit in one or two female fish in with my male betta (existing tank is 2.5 gallons). I've read that more than one female should be kept per male; if there's a question of plant cover (for any of the three to hide in), I am *at least* getting some floating plants. I could probably get a small filter and increase water changes. Would it be possible then, to house all three fish in that tank?
(It's just an idea I'm entertaining. Actually, I don't even know where to get non-show quality female bettas.)
wmily
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From: Eddie 11/09/99
Subject: One betta is enough.....
Posted by Eddie on November 09, 1999 at 18:31:16:
Re: (497) betta in 2.5g tank posted by wmily on November 08, 1999 at 22:06:34:
A 2.5 gallon tank is great for a betta, but don't put anymore fish, it is too much waste. Female bettas would be stressed out with a male betta in the same tank as them. I saw a male with 13 females in a 15 gallon tank, all the females were hiding. Don't get any other fish, get a pair of ghost shrimp, they eat leftovers and algae.
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From: Clint 11/09/99
Subject: Re: betta in 2.5g tank
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 09, 1999 at 16:17:50:
Re: (497) betta in 2.5g tank posted by wmily on November 08, 1999 at 22:06:34:
I wouldn't try keeping the females with a male betta in a tank less than 10 gallons. There's just nowhere to hide, and the male will be rough sometimes. They usually settle down and accept the situation in larger tanks, but thats because the females have a chance to get away.
If you can get some glass partitions made to fit the tank you could even add a couple more males.
I have an old 2 1/2 gallon tank that has removable partitions, it was made for 3 Bettas.
Other tankmates that would work are Coolie Loaches, or a couple of Corydoras, or 1 Platy (short finned variety, don't want Barney Betta to think he's another Betta).
If you do add more fish you'll have to change the water more often. With Bettas you can do 100% changes but other fish are not used to that so you'll need to do 25% changes at least weekly.
Good Luck,
Clint
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From: wmily 11/09/99
Subject: now a loach question ....
Posted by (mailto:emily.h.chang@williams.edu) wmily on November 09, 1999 at 19:04:09:
Re: (500) Re: betta in 2.5g tank posted by Clint on November 09, 1999 at 16:17:50:
Aren't coolie/kuhlii loaches better off if kept in small groups? It seems to me that a lot of people put just one in a tank and it acts very shy, and I read on some board (loach website?) that they are much more active and happier if there are more loaches. (I'm pretty sure the tank wouldn't handle that many more fish, so I wanted to ask.)
I guess along the same lines, if I got a platy, would s/he be lonely, too?
wmily
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From: Clint 11/09/99
Subject: Re: now a loach question ....
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 09, 1999 at 20:00:24:
Re: (503) now a loach question .... posted by wmily on November 09, 1999 at 19:04:09:
Coolies do like company, thats why I would have 2, but more wouldn't do any good in my opinion. And though they are long their body mass is smaller than most fish half their length, so they do well in smaller tanks. They do love caves and dark places. Try to find one that is active in the day time.
Platies are not a schooling species so one should do fine by it's self, the Betta would provide some company too. Fish aren't nearly as emotional as humans.
Clint
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From: Eddie 11/10/99
Subject: Re: now a loach question ....
Posted by Eddie on November 10, 1999 at 14:54:44:
Re: (504) Re: now a loach question .... posted by Clint on November 09, 1999 at 20:00:24:
Kuhli loaches are great and should be kept with others, I have 10 and they like to get into a big 'ball' and sleep, groups help, but in a small tank, get two.
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From: Kristen 11/09/99
Subject: Re: betta in 2.5g tank
Posted by Kristen on November 09, 1999 at 08:33:54:
Re: (497) betta in 2.5g tank posted by wmily on November 08, 1999 at 22:06:34:
I'm not so sure. I've heard that female bettas can also be territorial and that males will attack females that are not ready to spawn. Usually breeders will keep the females together on a regular basis and only mix the males and females when they want offspring. If your bettas did spawn, then you'd have to deal with finding another tank to move the fry to. Otherwise, they'd most likely become dinner for dad!
From what I've heard/read on this website/message board, you're probably better off adding a peaceful bottom feeder (like a cory - but they like to be kept in pairs). I wouldn't add any more fish than that and adding 2 cories would be pushing it. If you add any more fish, you will most certainly need a filter and aeration of some kind. Bettas have the ability to breathe air from the surface, most other fish do not. Also, filtration wouldn't be a dad idea if you add plants.
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From: LindaB 11/08/99
Subject: Plecos?
Posted by (mailto:belinda@vax2.concordia.ca) LindaB on November 08, 1999 at 07:57:52:
Hi. I have a 50 gal. aquarium. In it are: 1 very large discus, 10 neons, 6 harlequin's, 3 rams, 3 kribs, 2 small type catfish (don't know what they are called) and 1 fish that I think is a pleco (it's a sucker fish with a large dorsal fin). My question? This pleco is getting so large it is starting to take over the tank. Is there another type of fish that stays smaller but does the same job? I used to have a couple of octocinclids? but they did not seem to do a very good job keeping the glass clean of algae. Any suggestions?
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From: Steve 11/08/99
Subject: Re: Plecos?
Posted by Steve on November 08, 1999 at 14:54:53:
Re: (494) Plecos? posted by LindaB on November 08, 1999 at 07:57:52:
Hi, Clown plecos, gold nugget plecos, bristle nose plecos are all good at maintaining algae. They stay about 5-6 inches but on the downside they are hard to find and some can be expensive but they are worth it. Good luck
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From: Kevin 11/08/99
Subject: Filtration
Posted by Kevin on November 08, 1999 at 05:05:44:
What would be the best filtration system for a 5 gallon tank? The pet store recommends an under gravel filter. Is that enough if I'm just planning to keep a very small population of tropical fish (like tetras and guppies with a small cory)? And, since the filter is under the gravel, how do you clean it without taking apart the whole tank? Or, is that the correct procedure for a tank so small? Please know that I haven't purchased anything yet (not the tank or the filter) and am posting this message so I buy the right thing. Thanks!
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From: Steve 11/08/99
Subject: Re: Filtration
Posted by Steve on November 08, 1999 at 14:51:03:
Re: (493) Filtration posted by Kevin on November 08, 1999 at 05:05:44:
When you change the water you use a gravel vacuum. You shove the large end in the gravel give a quick suck on the other end and let it syphen into a bucket. You do about a 20-25% water change when you do the cleaning. You just move it up and down around the tank you don't even have to take out the decorations. A undergravel filter is perfect for a 5 gallon. Well good luck.
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From: Kevin 11/09/99
Subject: Re: Filtration
Posted by Kevin on November 09, 1999 at 07:36:43:
Re: (495) Re: Filtration posted by Steve on November 08, 1999 at 14:51:03:
I have heard some people say that because the undergravel filter traps all of the waste in the gravel, it forces the waste to decay in the tank even with regular water changes. The argument is that you cannot possibly vacuum all the garbage out of the gravel and that disturbing the gravel with the decaying waste can actually release toxins into the water. Is there any substance to this argument? What about using a small hang on back filter or box filter with the charcoal and floss? Either of those would allow you to remove all the waste trapped in the filter when you do water changes and filter cleanings. Are these better options?
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From: Steve 11/09/99
Subject: Re: Filtration
Posted by Steve on November 09, 1999 at 17:12:05:
Re: (498) Re: Filtration posted by Kevin on November 09, 1999 at 07:36:43:
I am not sure what you are trying to say. a hang on the back filter would be fine if you can find one that will fit a 5 gallon. You have no choice you have to do water changes and gravel vacuums no matter what. A filter is not going to remove all the waste. The thing you said about the undergravel filter and the toxins I've never heard of that before. Well good luck just post any other questions you may have, I'll be happy to help you.
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From: Amber 11/07/99
Subject: Betta still lookin bad :-(
Posted by Amber on November 07, 1999 at 13:52:36:
Hey all,
Clint, thanks for the help before, but he doesn't seem to be getting much better. Well, at least he stopped floating! But now the main problem is some bad tail rot.. I can't can't seem to keep him well! It's always something with these guys.. I've been giving him EM tablets for the septecemia, but stopped those, and am trying penicillin for the tail rot. Should I continue water changes throughout? He built a bubble nest, doesn't that mean the water is okay for now? He swims erratically, but that just started. The other betta (new one, 4 days, no contact obviously) does this, and also keeps nosediving into the gravel!! how can I get him to stop?? I'm afraid he'll give himself a concussion!
Thanks, Amber
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From: Clint 11/07/99
Subject: Re: Betta still lookin bad :-(
Posted by (form.htm) Clint on November 07, 1999 at 18:23:26:
Re: (489) Betta still lookin bad :-( posted by Amber on November 07, 1999 at 13:52:36:
The fact that he is building a bubblenest is a very good sign. I would stop all the medicating except for the teaspoon or (maybe even 2)of salt.
A chemical soup is the last thing he needs.
The swimming erratically is a puzzle, perhaps they are able to see each other and are doing mock combat. Try putting some kind of view block between them and see if it improves.
Also make sure you don't have them too close to a heater, erratic swimming is a sign of too hot water in some cases.