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Bettas from faraway places?
« on: March 14, 2010, 10:39:25 PM »
So it's been a few years since I last posted on here...I've been out of the fishkeeping thing for quite a while now, since I've been finishing school and spending time with the horses and (recently acquired) guinea pigs ;D

Now that I'm done with the transition of finishing school, moving out of my parents' house and finding a new job, I find myself missing the company of a betta (or eight) ::) I've kept most of my fishkeeping equipment including all my tanks, and it just feels wrong to have them sit empty in my closet!

I've been thinking...up until now all the bettas I've had have just been petstore bettas. Maybe it's time to graduate to the big leagues and get something nice? I still go onto aquabid now and then to drool over the nice bettas for sale, and I'd love to have one of my own. I'm sure plenty of people here have bought fish off aquabid or online breeders, what was that experience like? Who can/do you trust to ship you a live fish? So many of the nicer bettas on aquabid are directly from Thailand, but are those breeders reliable/is the overseas shipping more hassle than it's worth?

I've never dealt with shipped fish before - read a lot about how breeders ship fish, but next to nothing about what you're supposed to do on the other end. Any reviews on which shipping companies would be better? I guess I'd have it shipped to my mom's place (I haven't moved too far away), since I have to work monday-friday and she's got a good chance of being at home. I'm in a basement suite, so there's a good chance it would initially end up on my landlord's door...I think my mom has a better chance on not killing it  :dunno: you can tell I don't really have things shipped to me...ever :hihi: Are you able to just pick the little guy up yourself whenever he arrives? That would be way easier...

So many questions flying through my head! This is all so new to me. I'd settle for another petstore betta, but it's been a long time since I saw one even remotely healthy (poor things) and while I am seeing more crowntails and fancier tail types, though they all look like culls with poor breeding, and all are just as unhealthy. The only breeder I knew of in BC has been inactive for quite some time, so my only option it seems for a nice well bred betta is the good ol' internet. Any advice would be great  :)

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Re: Bettas from faraway places?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 05:51:23 AM »
Well, the answer to pretty much all of that is: Depends.  Helpful huh?

for who to order FROM, look for a seller with alot of feedback (that number x/x after their name inside the auction) where the first number is equal to or almost equal to the 2nd number.  Then if they aren't actually equal, go read the neutral or negetive feedbacks given.  Personally if the feedback numbers are like 632/640, I don't usually worry to much, I've worked retail long enough to understand that there are people out there who just aren't going to be satisfied no matter what.  But if the feedback is like 12/20 then I'll usually pass up that fish unless he's the only one who displays X feature that I want for breeding.  (just a note, 20/20 feedback and I'd probly go ahead & give them a try, but thats a personal call, the higher the number then then higher the number of fish they've sold, so the more satisfied customers they've had...)

For fish shipped from overseas they almost always use a transhipper in the country you're in.  Since you're in Canada make sure that seller you're thinking of buying from can ship to Canada (if the listing doesn't say they probly don't, but if you really want the fish you can message them via Aquabid & ask).  If they do use a transhipper than your cost from seller to transhipper is usually $5 - $10 plus the cost of the fish, the cost from transshipper to you (at least here in the states!!!) is usually closer to $30+ (check with your local post office to find out how much next day shipping starts at & then add at least $5 onto that to get an estimate).  Also you can contact the transhipper directly (most sellers put the transhippers name/email right into the listing) to find out what they charge,  there is usually handling & customs fee's as well to be paid that they combine together to give you a total you owe them.  If the transhipper is close enough to you you may be able to pick them up from their place of business, otherwise yes you'll need to arrange to have the package shipped to someone such as your mother who can be home to sign for it, here in the states express shipping arrives the next day before noon & the transhipper will usually give me the tracking number so I can be sure.  In such case tell your mom to not even open the package, just give it to you as is for you to open and acclimitate the fish when you get off work.

If they do not use a transhipper the cost from the seller to you will vary & you'll almost always have to pick up the fish at the airport ( you may then have to deal with customs agents & fee's as well).

Either method can be perfectly reliable, usually the seller will let you know that they shipped to the transhipper today (or x date in the future), and i usually contact the transhipper personally as soon as the auction closes before the fish are even shipped, with the total number of fish ordered, so I can get the total I will owe them, trust me, the faster you get them out of the transhippers the better, many DO charge storage fees!

Either way can be a little expensive for a single fish, however in most cases you can get anywhere from 6 to 10 fish in a single box (check with the transhipper or the seller, also, if via a transhipper they do NOT have to be all from the same seller to get shipped to you in the same box, just the sellers must all use the same transhipper.  However if the seller is shipping to you direct then they all have to be from the same seller), in that case the shipping cost itself doesn't generally vary, just the customs/handling fees will go up for each additional fish.

If you don't have a Paypal account open one, its worth it for buying things online at places such as Aquabid & the like and more major retialers are offering Paypal as a payment option online as well.  You can also go ahead & open an Aquabid account right away too, it doesn't cost anything, and that way you'll be prepared.  I'd also suggest that you not only open the account, but go ahead & place an order for some plants from Aquabid for your new tank(s) (order as many as you like, if they're all from the same seller most will combine the package into one, less shipping!), this will get you some feedback to your name so that the betta sellers will know you're legit as well!

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Re: Bettas from faraway places?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 08:47:17 AM »
I'd just like to add that if you haven't looked at petstore bettas lately maybe you should before you spend alot on having one shipped.  Petco has some pretty fancy bettas these days, including crowntails, deltas, halfmoons, "giant" bettas, nice little ct females, etc.  I wouldn't rule them out if you haven't looked at them lately.
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Re: Bettas from faraway places?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 01:17:53 PM »
Gremmy it's great to see you, I was wondering when I saw that name if this was the same Gremmy that used to be here. 

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Re: Bettas from faraway places?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 01:57:31 PM »
Ultimatebettas.com has a review section where people give feedback on aquabid breeders and transhippers. That may help you out. I haven't had any experience with breeders from Thailand, though.

I did buy from an amazing breeder here in Michigan and I have no complaints. He shipped them when he said and they arrived the next day, and all 6 were alive and hungry well. Gorgeous fishies, too. It's no wonder he does so well at shows.

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Re: Bettas from faraway places?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 05:56:25 PM »
Thanks for all the responses guys! :D

I always check out the bettas whenever I'm at a pet store, but although most of the 'fancy' varieties seem to have hit the general market, the ones up here don't seem well bred, nor are they well maintained. One LFS I used to visit carried awesome bettas, CTs, DTs, even plakats and giants (all at a great price), but even they just have a few half-dead VTs these days. I don't know if it's just lack of interest around here or what...but it's slim pickins these days :dunno: on top of that the price has doubled in the past few years...if a special mr. splendens catches my eye in the near future he'll be coming home, but he has yet to reveal himself  :hihi:

I mentioned my prospective endeavor to my boss today and not only did she suggest I use her address to ship to (she lives on the premises so not only would she be there to sign, but I'd be able to check and make sure things are alright right away :)), but she also used to breed bettas back in the day and might be interested in having a few shipped over. That would certainly help with the shipping costs ;D

Excited!

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Re: Bettas from faraway places?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 08:21:41 PM »
Wow the betta forum is dead these days :13:

Just thought I'd update everyone, I'm still mulling things over, you should have seen my boyfriend's eyes bug out of his head when I quoted what shipping 1-6 bettas overseas would cost, minus the cost of the fish themselves (which he already thinks is ridiculous :hihi:). It is a pretty nasty price, and while I really want to purchase some Thai bettas someday, I don't know if now's the right time when I'm just getting into this shipping thing. Not to mention the fact that the only transhipper in Canada right now is clear across the country, so the poor fish would be going across the pacific, and then half that distance again. There's definitely some risk involved.

Sooooo I took it down a notch. It's too bad BCbetta isn't breeding right now, she would have been the first breeder I'd contact since it's in province. I've found a couple of breeders back east with some really nice fish, so I may be buying from them :) first thing's first of course, time to dig out the tanks, divide them up, and get them cycling!

BTW, Sandypup, that site you gave me is a godsend!! It helped me a ton, especially with finding info about transhipping in Canada! Thank you so much :D

and Mollielover, it's great to see you too! ;D

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Re: Bettas from faraway places?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 11:18:06 PM »
I never really dealt with transhippers, I always picked a seller that had already imported and was selling stock inside the U.S. on aquabid.

Either that, or check some of the other betta boards for adoptions if you're just going for pet quality "nice" bettas. A lot of times breeders will put culls up for adoption who only have a minor flaw, such as a missing ventral, rose tail, etc.,
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