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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2006, 01:34:37 PM »
Interesting stuff! I will get a photo of my egg crate creation up soon.

I used the Eco-Earth stuff. Two blocks here. You put it in a bucket of water and it swells up. I'd reccomend changing the water after soaking it for a few days and then refilling again in case their are any salts in it. If you have dealt with peat moss for gardening this stuff is about that consistency...so for a viviarum it would be preferred to have something to add better drainage such as "orchid bark", or perhaps that forest floor stuff(I saw it, it looks like finely chopped wood flakes).

According to some people with those heavily planted vivs if you do things correctly and stock lightly you could leave the substrate for as long as 5 years...until you notice it has broken down, soured, or similar. 

I've been sketching out ideas and one thing I'd really want would be cool branchy pieces of wood...those are hard to find for sale unfortunately.

Some resources so far
www.dendroboard.com Dart frog forum...dart frog people prolly build some of the best viviarums and paludariums around.

www.blackjungle.com commercial site specializing in dart frogs, terrarium supplies, and plants.


Right now I'm leaning towards a Central American rainforest type setup(Jungle plants, small water section, and some kind of tropical frogs) but have a few ideas on the burner which might be used.

Vietnam streamside-if I get those mossy frogs. Lots of rocks, a few kinds of plants, and a goo sized water section.

Florida/SE US-This one would allow me to keep alot of what I have already, but probably wouldn't include frogs except possibly small chorus frogs. Would also be the largest watersection
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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2006, 03:07:54 PM »
nice sites!  I've been meaning to check out the black jungle one for a while, and just never got around to it! 

If you get som scetches up, take pics so I can see!  I'm going to do sort of a dry-set sort of thing sometime this weekend, and get some placement ideas, take some picks, and put the up here for disscussion. 
sorry this is rushed today, I'm gonna try to get my hair cut soon!

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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2006, 03:41:16 PM »
Ok, got ma pics up.  ;D

False bottom. Made out of "plastic eggcrate" a.k.a light diffuser. Just go to Home Depot.


A sketch. It would be AWESOME if I could find a piece of wood like that, but I don't think it is likely. As you can see their are two ways I could do the water section. I am considering putting in a pump and creating a little "waterfall" but one thing at a time.


Closein to the place I've done the most work.


I should be getting a few plants in Wednesday.
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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2006, 04:07:36 PM »
WOW!!!!!! great drawings, I hope you find the piece of wood you want. 
Didn't get pics this week of my "dry set" because work went crazy, so I'll get on that tomorrow.  Did get some eco-earth though...:)
I'm not hte artist you are, but I'll try to include a rough idea of what I'd like it to look like. 

What's your opinion on Dracena plants (any variety)?  they are often marketed as terrarium plants but when I used to work at a garden center we were told they were mildly toxic if ingested.  My concern would be that if an escapee cricket would munch on it, would this be a threat the the frogs?  And should I technically be feeding them outside their habitat? 
I'm sad, I sold my red-legged walking frog the other day... best frog ever, he sat on my shoulder the entire time I was helping the custs. get their set up for him (I kept him wet, don't worry!).  I really wanted him.  And someone sold the fat tailed geko I had made friends with!   oh well, such is pet store life!  I missed waking up my frog and geko buddies though this morning when I opened the reptile dept. 
Anyhow, I love the egg crate thing too, so post a pic when it's installed so I can rave!  teehee.  I'll post some pics tomorrow.

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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2006, 04:41:35 PM »
How is it working at a LFS? If i get a summer job this or next year I'd love to work at an LFS.

i'll have to read on the dracaena. But the fact is that lots of plants are toxic. It shouldn't harm the inhabitants unless perhaps you had something that ate leaves every once in a while.

On feeding, most people feed them in the habitat. Either just dropping them in or confining them in a dish(if in a dish you need to remove the back legs to keep them in). Feeding them in a dish probably makes it easier to feed. Probably makes it that any vitamin/calcium dust you put on them doesn't get spread around the tank.

Sucks about the walking frog! The store oughtta have some permanent residents though right?

Looking forward to the pics and art!

Plants should be here today or tomorrow. Among the plants I got are Episcia, Begonia thelmae, Selaginella, Cryptanthus, Cissus amazonica(the arrowhead shaped leaves on the wood), Sygonium rayi. I might get some bromeliads and certainly will get some Peperomia species in there. Also gotta try moss! LOL

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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2006, 01:21:53 PM »
I am so jealous of your plants comming!  I've been so bussy with work I haven't worked on anything this week, arg!  I think I have off tomorrow night though, so hopefully I can get my pics and art up then (my art skills are not very good!)  All I've done so far is make a bucket full of eco-earth!  I love that stuff!

I work at a chain store, so there are a lot of benifits to working there.  I get regular raises and there's benefits too.  But there are some drawbacks to working at a pet store too.  You do have to follow their rules, even if you don't really agree with them.  I'm lucky in that my store is very very dedicated to the care of our animals.  They eat better than I do!  All the small animals and birds get fresh veggies everyday, the fish get a wide variety of prepared foods, and our tortoises practically have their own salad bar!  I'd just check out what's around you and go from there, but I know you'd be a great asset to my company!  I wish you could work at my store!  But even if you have to suffer through a few people taking home a goldfish in a bowl, more often than not you're making a real difference in an animals life.  Most people I talk to end up going home with a different fish or sometimes nothing at all.  And the comany's ok with that. 
I think you'd be great at it, I just wish you could come work with me!  We'd have a frog parade! 

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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2006, 02:22:37 PM »
k, here's by "before" picture! 

I used exactly 1 brick of eco-earth to cover the bottom nicely.  Not a thick layer, but I'd like to add most of my rocks before I add more of the stuff, to sort of anchor it a bit.  The pan on the left is going to be the water feature.  I'm going to add rocks around it, then cover it with the "moss margarita" and see how that goes. 
The second pic is my "mystery frog" habitat, who's not a mystery anymore (he croaks!).  I've been playing with his habitat (a 2.5 gallon glass tank) as sort of a miniature version of what I'd like to do with the 75.  the live plant on the left is an orchid, but I thought the height and leaf structure was jungl'y enough, the rest are fake.  The water dish is on the wrong side, obviously, but it's rock, so I wanted to see how it would look. 
ok, enough expalining.  the second pic sucks, sorry

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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2006, 10:47:04 AM »
Got the plants in! No camera now, so no pics for now. LOL
2 Cryptanthus'Pink Starlight'(cute little things)
Cissus amazonica
Anthurium
Syngonium rayi(arrowleaf philodendron)
Geogenanthus undatus(seersucker plant...the leaves look cool so I decided to grab one)
Selaginella
Episcia and Begonia thelmae

All are unrooted cuttings/offsets except the Selaginella which is a clump. I hope these take for me!

Your workplace sounds great. I agree it'd be aggravating to occasionally part fish to unsuitable homes but as you said overall you can make a positive difference. I'd like to work at one of the LFS in town...they been here from about 40 years and do not seem to lose much business despite a Petco opening a little ways from them(this particular Petco does a pretty good job overall from what I can see). Employees are knowledgeable and they have a great selection of FW/SW fish, and seem to be expanding the reptile section(a big rack-o sweater boxes filled with snakes...LOL).

The 75 looks good so far! Eco-Earth is fun to play with...feels almost like a sponge. I wonder if you could find a clear(plexiglass) pan to serve as the water feature...then you could see in from the side also if it was against the glass. If not would metal cause any problems...or is that currently a representation of where the pond will be? What kind of rocks do you plan on having? You've probably thought of it already but with the rocks and eco-earth and some wood you could do a slope and later anchor some plants in it. Cork bark background or similar would be a good bet also.

The 2.5 is pretty cute, and I bet the frog is happy(what did his croak sound like? That should get him ID'ed). Any idea what kind of orchid it is? Also, what kind of camera is that? ;) I'm jealous that you've already got the tank(a 75!) started...I haven't gotten around to tackling the real work yet....just drooling.  ;)


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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2006, 07:28:27 PM »
teehee, so many questions!  We're like school girls...well dorky frog loving school girls, but you get it! 

I love the eco earth, that's why I always choose to open the reptile section when I have a helper.  The new girls can clean pee off the hamster cages, I'll play with the slimys.   ;D  I was suprized that it acctually covered the bottom, way to expand brick of dirt-like substance!  The pan is more of a place holder for now, but i hadn't thought about the metal being harmful, I just figured, it's a cooking pan, if I can eat out of it it should be ok!  lol.  Maybe not!  I'm still toying with materials.  As for rocks, I was hoping to boil some lake rocks, rather than shell out for shiny stones or somehting, as they're just going to be covered in moss anyhow.  But I may take a trip to the garden center and see what they have.  Lots of times there's chippings off of flagstone they sell just laying around.  Most of the time free too!  Is boiling enough to remove any contaminants?  I was thinking of boiling for 2 hours aprox.  I was going to also put a nice piece of driftwood in the pool, not just for looks, but I thought it may be more natural and make it easyer for the frogs to enjoy the water fun.  I've been thinking of going with native Florida species (or now native, like the Cuban tree frog).  I've already got the little carpenter frog, though he's way to small not to be lunch, and guess what!  I found a partially morphed tadpole in the common goldfish tank today!  Same frog as the former "mystery frog" !  He'll have a buddy soon.  Right now he's in a partially filled mini bow 2.5 with water sprite and a chunk of driftwood partially submerged (for when he gets his front leggs).  He has back legs, front stumps, and still has a mostly sucker-mouth, though it looks to be widening into the regular frog mouth.  Tips on feeding him?  the sucker mouth leads me to believe algea eater right now, so the tank is placed to take advantage of sunlight to grow some naturaly for him.  Tips welcomed! 

I'm jealous of your plants.  sigh...it'll be a bit before I can get some going.  I'd like to try and find some native Florida marginal plant species, as well as some tropical house plants I keep forgetting to water.  I can never remember the type of orchid i have, got it at an orchid show 2 years ago, never bloomed, but keeps growing.  It's a small species, and the flowers(if it ever gets any) are supposed to be very small and yellow. 

Usually good LFS' don't suffer from chain stores, as the idependant stores can do what they want, where as the chain is controlled by the corporation.  It'd be nice to hear the other end of the coin too, if you worked for a private lfs.  I was offered a job at my fav lfs, but turned it down (even part time) because I love my chain store so much, plus I can get benefits and the pay is better (plus regular increases!).  A coworker of mine took the job, and still works for my chain too, so he gets both worlds.  I'm sure I would enjoy the private lfs world, but I'm just really comfortable in a corporation. (probably why I worked for victoria's secret for 4 years! and the funny part is, I get paid more for being at this job 1 year than I ever got paid at VS!)  Anyhoo, I could go on forever about how much I love my job, but I think it might be off topic!  haha!

croak is just like hte one I heard on the net for carpenter frog, pe-tunk pe-tunk (but very soft and a bit higher than the recording, but he's just a wee thing)
camera is a very frustrating Vivitar purchased 3.5 years ago.  I can't get to close to anything or it blurs, and if I'm far enough away not to blur it, the zoom doesn't capture what I want. 

I hope your plants take hold for you!  You know if they get overgrown I'd be happy to help you out...you know.  ;D

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Re: 75gal frog paradise...
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2006, 08:39:44 PM »
LOL! I do not know much about schoolgirls, so can't really comment, except that you guys drive us guys crazy sometimes...hehe

Yeah. I dropped the brick in the bucket, left it over night and come back downstairs and woah it grew! How many bricks are in your 75?

On the cooking pan...if you actually used it I worry it might rust.

On your half tadpole(or is it a half frog?) they don't eat at that stage, so don't bother feeding him until he's out of the water for a day or two.

Florida tank would be great! As mentioned in the previous post I toyed the possibility of doing that. You could probably use some of the ferns you guys have down there...I know one cool one is resurrection fern...epiphyte that grows on oak branches in swamps. I've never had much luck with most orchids except maybe Oncidiums...my Grandma has one that has bloomed for us about 2x a year...tiny purple flowers. The moth orchids all keel over sooner or later. I'd imagine a bigger water section(maybe using a glass divider or false bottom or rock islands?) could allow you to do a "swampy" look. And also stock in some small FL fish. I know one LFS gets bluefin killies, Heterandria formosa, and a few other things in ghost shrimp order. And a sales pitch...Najas grows naturally in FL ;)

The plants are right now all in little makeshift pots with ziplocs over them to hold in moisture. I think it'd be a-ok to keep your eyes peeled for any plants you want now. I wonder if you could grow sphagnum moss in your tank...I know they sell that on ebay quite a bit and it does grow in FL.

I bet you've got good reason to like your job. Think of it, you are being paid to catch fish...isn't that what alot of us do for free already? :D The people who work at this LFS have been there for a long time so I'm betting they like the job.

LOL on the plants. If you want em and I have extras you can get em.
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