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General Photo Help
« on: December 16, 2004, 07:46:46 AM »
I'm starting this thread to help anyone with photo questions.

I have many years of experience working with photography. This includes different types/brands of cameras, film and digital, capturing images, fixing images, etc. I figure since I'm not the most knowlegable fishy person on the board, this is what I can offer.  

So if you are having a photo related issue, post it here, and I will try to help you.

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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2004, 10:53:07 AM »
Okay, I've got a burning question (seriously).  I want to in the next 6 months or so, get a digital camera.  My main motivation, is taking pics of my fishies.  I want something nice, that isn't too complicated, but not a piece of junk.  I want to stay in the $200-300 range if at all possible.  Have any suggestions?  I know next to nothing about digital camera's, so bare with me. ;D
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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2004, 09:47:51 AM »
Aquarium photography is kind of difficult with point and shoot cameras. The problem is that you have a flash on the front; you are not able to direct the flash to "bounce" off of anything. So naturally, when you are shooting into glass, you will get a reflection.

But it definitely is do-able. When I use mine, I tend to use the max zoom setting, so that if there is a flash glare, there's a chance you won't be able to see it in the final picture. If I don't zoom, I tend to hold the camera right up to the glass, as long as the fish are far enough back to be in focus. Also, if your aquarium lights are bright enough, you may not need a flash.

The other problem is that digital cameras have this horrible curse called "shutter lag". Basically what this means is that you will click down on the shutter button, and maybe a second later, the picture will actually take. Really frustrating when trying to shoot fish, but it is just a problem you have to deal with when using a point and shoot digital.

So here are my suggestions:

The Canon A95 is a really good all around point and shoot digi camera. You tend to find it for just over $300, but Canon is offering a gift card right now with purchase (I think it's for $30).

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=10468

I have used this camera and think it is probably the best for that price range. It does still have shutter lag, but not nearly as much as others. The photo salesmen at my work absolutely love it for a digital point and shoot. It takes compact flash for the media (basically a ?disk? that you save you pictures to), which is very durable - I remember once, when printing a customers pictures from a compact flash, that my co-worker "lost" it - we found it an hour later in her glass of water! We let it dry for a day, and it worked perfect the next day! (shhh? don?t tell the customer!) It also is a 5 megapixel camera - which means it will be fine for prints up to 5x7.  

I inquired to my co-workers about cameras that have less shutter-lag, and the Casio Z40 was suggested:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/ex-z40.html

I have not used this camera. A problem that I can see is that it takes "sd cards" for media. I won't go into what an "sd card" is, but I have found them in the past to be very unstable. So it would be a type of media that you would have to be very, very protective over. This camera is a 4 megapixel, good for prints up to 4x6.

Overall, after reading some reviews on the Casio, I would spend a little extra and go with the Canon. It's a very nice little camera. Google both of them, and see which on matches you better.  :)

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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2004, 03:55:14 PM »
I would like to confirm Lokis suggestion of the A95 or even the A75/85.  They are great cameras for the money and do well in aquarium photography.  Ive had a chance to shoot with the A75 and was impressed with the color that it captures.  The A75 is also 4MP, so you can easily crop out a part of a pic without much pixilation.

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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2004, 01:41:12 PM »
Thank you both sooooo much!  I'll see if I can talk the hubby into this for my birthday. ;D
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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2004, 02:47:38 AM »
I would take a look at B&H (www.bhphoto.com) to get an idea of what cameras are in your price range (and their features and specs) and then check them out at www.dpreview.com. I tried out the 3mp Panasonic Lumix (with a Leica lens - "Mmmmm, Leica" - at my local store and it felt great - a perfect fit for my hand, but I am so used to an SLR that I'll end up with a D70 or its successor.

Another option you might consider is to wait until this time next year. I expect that a Canon Digital Rebel might be around $500 next Christmas. Or if you want to look for used deals I have heard lots a good things regarding www.keh.com.

Once you get a digital camera (or scanner, like me) the fun begins. The learning curve with digital image processing can be quite high but very rewarding.  Checkout www.vividlight.com and www.scantips.com to get over the hump. I believe that Vividlight has a recent article on "Choosing a digital camera". HTH.
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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2004, 07:21:31 AM »
(with a Leica lens - "Mmmmm, Leica" -

Wha? Where are you going to get a Leica for under $300? I want a Leica for under $300 dollars!  ;)

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I expect that a Canon Digital Rebel might be around $500 next Christmas.


You know, that's actually not a very good camera. It's better than the 35mm Rebel, but it's still kind of a cheap product for what you have to dish out for it. I borrowed it as an add on the last time I shot someone's wedding, and I couldn't control the flash. Maybe it's more of a problem with the flash then the camera, but the flash was all over the place.  :P I'm not too impressed with it's metering either, I pretty much had it on manual the whole time I used it.

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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2004, 08:14:59 AM »
I have the Canon A80 myself and just love it!  I prefer that one over the A85 because of the tilt LCD on it.  It has lots of options that you would love to play with.  I think it's a ton of fun to play with!  Check it out here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000C8VF9/103-5369153-1575846?v=glance

Click on where you can see more pics and you'll see how the LCD on the back actually twists away from the body 180 degrees so you can take all kinds of pics without being right behind the camera.  You can take 3 minute movies too!   ;D   I love the feature where you can make the photo look old.  

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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2004, 06:05:23 PM »
Wha? Where are you going to get a Leica for under $300? I want a Leica for under $300 dollars!  ;)

You know, that's actually not a very good camera. It's better than the 35mm Rebel, but it's still kind of a cheap product for what you have to dish out for it. I borrowed it as an add on the last time I shot someone's wedding, and I couldn't control the flash. Maybe it's more of a problem with the flash then the camera, but the flash was all over the place.  :P I'm not too impressed with it's metering either, I pretty much had it on manual the whole time I used it.


Panasonic Lumix with a Leica lens is $349 at B&H: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=327343&is=REG Mmmm! :)

I've only played with a digital rebel a couple of times so I can't comment on its performance. I know from my "feel" perspective the D70 wins hands down. I only offered the Drebel as alternative as the only good way to get good shots in aquaria is an SLR. To me the Drebel offered a compromise as the cheapest digital SLR on the market. I'm a Nikon man and have too much money invested in Nikon lenses to even think about buying a Canon SLR.

I am seriously thinking about that Lumix, but with $100 rebate from Nikon the D70 is awfully tempting.
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Re:General Photo Help
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2004, 06:42:32 PM »
I'm a Nikon man and have too much money invested in Nikon lenses to even think about buying a Canon SLR.

Nikon makes a good camera. I haven't used the D70 yet (we haven't had any come in used, and I can't borrow new stuff) but I own the N90.

Might eventually trade it all in for digital. But for now, I can just borrow them.

You actually can get decent shots with a point and shoot. They are not going to be professional, but you can manipulate the built in flash to get your shot.  ;)




 


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