Author Topic: sex change  (Read 525 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline koral

  • Bronze Cory
  • **
  • Posts: 88
sex change
« on: August 09, 2011, 07:50:09 AM »
well, i have 6 swordtail fishes. 5 males and 1 female. i know, not good amount tho... it just happened to be that way:)
i saw the female mating the other days and was pregnant, bigger belly and it start to be darken in belly area.
today, i was preparing a nursery tank for her but i couldn't find her instead i found a new male. i was 99 sure it was her. it has bigger belly not slim like all other males. her tail start to reshape like male and the fin under her belly became like male's fin, pointy. so, it is true that this kind of fish do change sex???? i just wonder how about the fry she was having before? she or he is now with bigger belly but i dont see the darken area anymore but i was sure she was pregnant before, she was so girly look ad shape. maybe she got tired being the only girl so she became he??? can she become "she" again?


Offline ruthcatrin

  • Diamond Discus
  • *****
  • Posts: 1349
  • Gender: Female
Re: sex change
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 06:10:29 PM »
Well, I've not had swordtails in ages, but when I was a kid I had a tank of 2 males & 3 females.  All three females had had babies at some point.  Got some kind of sickness, don't recall what, and lost both males and one of the females.  Then one day I looked into the tank and realized that one of the remaining females was growing a sword on her tail.  About 2 months after that the 2nd remaining female had more babies.

So its possible.  Now I don't see it happening in a tank like yours where there's already an over abundance of males, but its physically possible.  In your case those I'm wondering if it might have been an immature male since its unlikely a female would have changed genders when there were no other females to take over.

Offline Morgrid

  • Fish Geek
  • Board Moderator
  • Diamond Discus
  • *
  • Posts: 7347
  • Gender: Male
  • No monkey business
    • www.aquariumguys.com
Re: sex change
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 11:31:47 PM »
It is a myth, Xiphophorus do not truely change sex. Poecilids, like us have their sex determined genetically, they are born either male or female. All of them look the same when they are born but the males develop the gonopodium and in the case of swordtails, the sword, later.
To confuse matters these fish also develop at varying times, some of the males develop early and some later, from the same drop of fry. The early developing males are almost always smaller than the later developing males, usually significantly so. This doesn't happen with all species/strains of swordtails, but is common in many. One theory about this early/late development is that in some situations it is advantagous for the fish to mature early in lean times such as drought and famine. In times of plenty it is more advantagous for the bigger males who are obviously dominant over the faster developing smaller males. It can be confusing to see several males already developed and then several months later a new male or two appear. Also due to the common size differential between males and females of these species, it looks like a female changed to male as it is also larger. However this is not the case, it was always a male it just took a while to show it.
To confuse matters even further there are 3 sex genes in Xiphophorus which can skew sex ratios in this fish from the normal 50/50 ratio. In the right combination of these genes it is possible to get a drop of fry that all turn out to be males. I believe that this gene does not come into play in the wild but only in the aquarium where hybridizing of species and strains takes place.
Another apparent sex change, which is less common, occurs when an old female actually runs out of hormones. When this happens some of the male hormones, which were always present, cause an apparent sexual transformation. The anal fin may turn into the shape of a gonopodium and the fish grow a sword, the sword is usually much smaller than that of a true male, usually only a spike. This is similar to menopause in humans, where such things as facial hair start to occur. These fish are still females though they only express male characteristics. These fish may even appear to be mating but they have no sperm, and lack the proper gonopodium structure to deliver it, even if they did.
Innes reported sex change in Poecilids in his early writings as fact. We now know this is not true. You can find all kinds of stuff on the internet that states that these sex changes do happen in poecilids but it has been proven in controlled scientific environments that it does not. However this misconception lives on due to the reasons I already mentioned and thanks to the internet. You really have to do some research on this to find out the truth because if you just google it there will be all kinds of misinformation. I have been keeping swords for over 40 years and at one time I too believed they changed sex, after much research and observation I have to go with science on this and say they do not.  I do know that sex change occurs in some saltwater fish and is quite common.
A smart man learns from his mistakes.
A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

Offline Morgrid

  • Fish Geek
  • Board Moderator
  • Diamond Discus
  • *
  • Posts: 7347
  • Gender: Male
  • No monkey business
    • www.aquariumguys.com
Re: sex change
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 11:33:13 PM »
P.S. I had a debate about this on this forum several years ago that got quite deep. If you want to look in the debates section it may still be there. I quoted several published books and scientists on this matter.
A smart man learns from his mistakes.
A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.