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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2007, 02:00:45 PM »

(My friend once grossly referred to the concentrated shrimp at the bottom as a "fishy orange julius.")

Awesome!  I'm going to call all my bbs feedings orange julius time now!
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2007, 02:42:26 PM »

Seems like everything fishy is more expensive here in Australia, actually.  I guess because most of it is imported since we don't have a large local population to support much of a home-grown industry.  Anyway, those eggs were the relatively cheap ones, and maybe I do have to go to the more expensive ones. 

If you want to be even more glad you're not in Australia, my LFS has some for $16AU (about $14 US) for a container of about 30g!  (The online retailers are much cheaper than my LFS in nearly everything except actual fish.)

I did realise they would be small and am looking carefully for the hatched shrimps, but not seeing anything.  The system I am using is supposed to collect them into the container at the top anyway, since that is where the light is.  But I've peered carefully into the black box and shone a torch into it too, to see if I could spot anything moving, and I haven't seen anything.

What colour are the hatched shrimp?  I did see a few specks of red stuff that I thought might have been them, this last time.  But a few hours later they were gone with no more appearing.  Maybe they were dirt or something else.  My eggs are brown, so I'm pretty sure I wasn't looking at eggs. 

Sounds like one of the S.F. bay brand shrimp hatcheries, where you fill the black base with salt water/eggs and invert a clear capped freshwater container into the lid. I think those kits come with some salt/egg packets, and if you used one of those, who knows how long the packets have been sitting around. Possibly decades as they've been around a long long time. If you do continue to try using that hatching kit, be sure to tap the clear freshwater container with your finger in case an air bubble gets trapped in the lid and the artemia can't get through after you invert it and insert it into the lid of the black box.

Aeration also improves your hatch rate. As most people have replied in this thread, a simple mason jar with an airstone and a mini air pump is all you really need. You can even adapt an airpump to the hatchery you have now by drilling a hole in the lid of the black box to accomodate some airline tubing and an airstone, which is probably a good idea. The constant aeration and agitation of the water dramatically increase hatch rates.

Lastly, as MikeMatthews and others have pointed out, there are different grades of brine shrimp eggs which get more expensive depending on their test hatch rates. The best ones i've used are the supreme eggs by SF bay brand (90% hatch) and the less expensive OSI brine shrimp eggs (80% hatch). They aren't cheap, but a 15 oz. can of either should last you quite a while unless you have a serious need for a constant supply of artemia nauplii. We're talking a year or more.
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2007, 04:43:07 PM »

They aren't cheap, but a 15 oz. can of either should last you quite a while unless you have a serious need for a constant supply of artemia nauplii. We're talking a year or more.

wow.  i go through a can in about 2 months easy.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2007, 10:47:03 AM »

Yeah but your the man.  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2007, 08:35:04 PM »

Sounds like one of the S.F. bay brand shrimp hatcheries, where you fill the black base with salt water/eggs and invert a clear capped freshwater container into the lid. I think those kits come with some salt/egg packets, and if you used one of those, who knows how long the packets have been sitting around. Possibly decades as they've been around a long long time. If you do continue to try using that hatching kit, be sure to tap the clear freshwater container with your finger in case an air bubble gets trapped in the lid and the artemia can't get through after you invert it and insert it into the lid of the black box.

Aeration also improves your hatch rate. As most people have replied in this thread, a simple mason jar with an airstone and a mini air pump is all you really need. You can even adapt an airpump to the hatchery you have now by drilling a hole in the lid of the black box to accomodate some airline tubing and an airstone, which is probably a good idea. The constant aeration and agitation of the water dramatically increase hatch rates.

Lastly, as MikeMatthews and others have pointed out, there are different grades of brine shrimp eggs which get more expensive depending on their test hatch rates. The best ones i've used are the supreme eggs by SF bay brand (90% hatch) and the less expensive OSI brine shrimp eggs (80% hatch). They aren't cheap, but a 15 oz. can of either should last you quite a while unless you have a serious need for a constant supply of artemia nauplii. We're talking a year or more.

I already thought to drill holes in the box for two airlines (in diagonally opposite corners of the lid), and now I'm trying a "flexible airstone", bent into the shape of the base, sitting at the bottom so as to get more even air circulation through the whole thing.  I still haven't managed to get more than a few red specks that might or might not have been hatched shrimp. 

I've got some new eggs on order, though I don't really know the quality of either the ones I have or the ones I ordered.  I don't know where to get hold of SF bay brand eggs in Australia, if it is even possible. 

I'm also trying with an inverted 2l drink bottle, having read somewhere that the eggs require light in order to hatch.  They won't get much light in the black box, though it will be warmer.  I wonder which matters more. 

What pH and temperature do you hatch your eggs at?  How long do you wait before you harvest the hatched shrimp?

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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2007, 08:58:53 AM »

I've got some new eggs on order, though I don't really know the quality of either the ones I have or the ones I ordered.  I don't know where to get hold of SF bay brand eggs in Australia, if it is even possible.

You'd have to check with local pet shops, or in a pinch, surf over to the SF Bay brand website and ask them if they have a distributor in Australia where you can get their brine shrimp eggs. O.S.I. gets their eggs from a source in Russia and they're also reliable.

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I'm also trying with an inverted 2l drink bottle, having read somewhere that the eggs require light in order to hatch.  They won't get much light in the black box, though it will be warmer.  I wonder which matters more.
 

Well, artemia don't require light in order to hatch, but they are attracted to light and will swim towards and gather around any light source they can find. In nature, after hatching they swim up towards the light in the salt ponds where they occur, looking for single celled algaes to feast on and oxygen rich water to breathe. Aquarists can take advantage of their light loving behavior by using light to concentrate and collect the little nauplii in their hatcheries. Even shining a flashlight into the brine shrimp container will stimulate the nauplii to swim towards the light, where they can be collected and then fed to your fish.

With the black box hatchery, you'll notice that the cap on the collection bottle is white and the collection bottle itself is clear to allow more light in. From below, the brine shrimps will see the cap glowing with white light if you put it near a light source, which will attract the brine shrimp to the cap. They enter the collection container through a small hole in the cap. I have one of those hatch kits myself and if you do have viable brine shrimp eggs, it's amazing how well it works.

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What pH and temperature do you hatch your eggs at?  How long do you wait before you harvest the hatched shrimp?

My tap water usually runs about 6.8 to 7.2 on the pH scale depending on the amount of rainfall we've had recently. If you use synthetic sea salt for saltwater tanks, the salt itself contains a lot of calcium carbonate which will buffer up the tap water to about 8.0 on the pH scale. It only takes about a rounded tablespoon of synthetic sea salt to do that. The temperature is whatever my house temperature is at the time. I don't do anything special to warm or cool the hatchery water, just let it sit on a countertop. Hatching usually starts within 24 hours and reaches it's peak at about 48 hours.

What's nice about the black box kit is that the collection chamber is filled with freshwater, which has a different density than the salty seawater. This causes the freshwater in the collection cup to float above the seawater and the two don't mix together, even though there's a little hole in the lid of the collection cup. When the brine shrimp nauplii swim into the collection cup, they enter a freshwater environment and this automatically rinses them free of salt from the black box part of the hatchery.

That makes it extremely convenient to feed your fish with nauplii from the collection cup right away. You don't need a brine shrimp net or have to rinse them off first before feeding them to your fish.

There's also nothing wrong with using the 2 liter soda bottle method for hatching out your shrimp, but it does add the extra steps of collecting the nauplii manually with a flashlight and either a brine shrimp net or a medicine dropper to suck up the shrimp. The brine shrimp will also need to be washed with freshwater to eliminate the salt before you feed them to your fish, but no big deal.
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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2007, 10:06:20 AM »

I use no light during the warmer months, but when it gets cold I use a halogen desk lamp over the fish bowl that I use for hatching.  The lamp heats up the water a bit.
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2007, 05:09:51 AM »


As an update, I managed to get a hatch of maybe a couple of hundred shrimp with the inverted 2l coke bottle.  Still haven't managed to get anything to hatch with the black box thing.  I'm going to keep trying though...

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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2007, 12:12:00 PM »

Nothing wrong with that. Smiley

I just recieved an order of supreme BBS eggs from SF bay. On their website it showed a sealed can with a lid, and what arrived was a huge flat pack brick of vaccum sealed eggs. It's about the size of a brick of coffee.

Dammit. Now I have to go buy a new sealed brine shrimp egg container. Grumble grumble...
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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2007, 03:32:07 PM »

You'd have to check with local pet shops, or in a pinch, surf over to the SF Bay brand website and ask them if they have a distributor in Australia where you can get their brine shrimp eggs. O.S.I. gets their eggs from a source in Russia and they're also reliable.

Are you sure they get them from Russia? That seems really odd to me as they are based in Utah (that is in the US), right by The Great Salt Lake, which from what I hear is one of the primo harvest locations for brine shrimp in the world.
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