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« on: October 12, 2004, 08:53:15 PM »

I've answered this question alot and thought this might help as a general guideline with my experience on gender guessing Goldfish.

Sexing Goldfish sometimes can be a difficult task if they are under 2-3 years old but with practice and patience can be done around 1 year.  Spawning time will give many answers.

Females are usually bigger then males of the same ago and rounder body wise. When she reaches spawning age, the eggs begin to mature and she will thicken in the ventral area.  During spawning time the female anal openings are larger, protrude slightly and round in shape (an outty butt).  The anal fin is thicker and has a heavier first anal fin spine.

Males are more streamline.  They will develop small, pinpoint white or beige specks on the gill covers and leading ray of the pectoral fin.  Almost looks like Ich.  These are breeding tubercles.  The male anal opening is oval in shape and small and slightly concaved (a inny butt).  No anal fin thickness is apparent.

Another clue during spawning time is the chase.  Males will chase females unmercifully.  Although (rare) you might have that confused Goldie that just wants to get in on the fun and chase the same sex or a female doing the chasing.

Male Koi also get breeding tubercles but usually you can?t see them.  Springtime, when they are around 6 inches in length, you can feel them with your finger.

Don?t worry if you?ve watched you fish for hours on end and still can?t figure it out.  I?ve been breeding Goldfish for around 9 years and still sometimes have to rename. Lol.  I won?t guarantee gender to friends/customers until the fry are over a season (year) old or have participated in spawning activity.

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Chris
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2004, 07:56:08 PM »

I found this information with a picture at www.geocities.com/Tokyo/4468/fishsex.html

The classic way to sex goldfish is based on the sexually dimorphic traits they develop when they are in spawning condition. At this time, females become heavier bodied in the abdomen (and purportedly a bit asymmetric). But the big change is in the males; they develop white pimples, called "breeding tubercles", on the gill operculum and along the front rays of their pectoral fins.

I've noticed that males that have been through a few spawning seasons seem to retain roughness on their front pectoral rays. Usually, when someone shows me a proven pair of goldfish it is pretty obvious which is the male and which is the female. But when I try to judge the sex of my fish, I often have little confidence in the decision. I think there is a gestalt to it. I will list some of the indicators I have heard of or read about for goldfish sexing outside of the breeding season. Incidently, I would not expect any of the methods discussed here to work reliably for fish prior to sexual maturity ... say a year.

Midline ridge: Males develop a ridge on their undersides that starts in back of their pelvic fins and ends at their vent opening. The ridge is absent or much smaller on females. (N.B. I have observed females with impressive ridges. Hmmm)
Firmness of Abdomen: For my heavy-bodied goldfish, the area between pelvic fins and the anal fins is fairly pliable on the females. For the males, this area is usually very firm.
Vent shape: According to several books, you can sex goldfish based on vent shape. I haven't been able to figure this out yet, so I won't confuse with an attempt at explaining what I have read. However, another hobbyist, Red Arthur, has used it and he supplied the following sketch to illustrate the method. The sketch also shows the location of the breeding tubercles on the males. Thank you, Red!
 
Pectoral fin shapes: For short-finned varieties, males have longer, more pointed pectorals with a stiffer leading ray. Females have more rounded pectorals and shorter, finer front fin rays. For long-finned breeds, the fin shape is hard to judge. But the first ray length and thickness should still be somewhat different. This works pretty well.
Other features: Some other characteristics that I think would be very hard for beginners to make use of: males are alledgedly brighter colored, more active, and have longer fins.
Using a known female: Al Foster suggested introducing a fish known to be a female into a tank of goldfish of unknown sex. He says that the males will all "check out" the new female, while the females will show no interest.
Probably the best way to learn to sex goldfish is to try to get opportunities to look at adult fish of known sex. The next best is probably to try to find some place (petshop?) that has an assortment of goldfish with bodies longer than three inches. And then just try to guess their sexes, based on the indicators above, to get experience looking at goldfish.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2005, 03:59:39 PM »

In the springtime, I find sexing the fish in my pond to be an easy task. Aside from the obvious J Lo style expansion of the females, the females are easy to find as they are the ones spending all day trying to get away from the males. LOL.

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2005, 10:59:59 PM »

First off, females tend to be much plumper in breeding condition


Males, during breeding season, develop tubercles on the gill plates. See them in this photo?






The pectoral fin also grows "tubercles". On males who are more than several breeding years old, just by feeling the fin you can feel the tubercles, even out of breeding season. They are clearly shown in this photo.


Another thing, though this may not be surefire, is that males often have pointier pectoral fins.





Compared to the females rounded ones.




The Most important way to tell is by looking at the goldfishes vents. As can be seen in this photo. The males vent is flat, and sometimes pushed in.



The females vent, on the other hand, protrudes out.

Good Luck, and note that these techniques only work on mature fish, and tubercles are shown only in breeding condition.

Also, no, I did not kill these fish for these photos. A mistake with chlorine was the cause and I decided to make the best of the situation. They were around 4-5 years of age when they died and would have bred in a few weeks weather permitting.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 08:02:47 AM »

May I also point out that using the "rounded body for a female" technique to tell appart the sexes of a goldfish may not always be correct with the rounded fancy species such as ranchus, fantails, orandas, demekins, pearlscales, veiltails, jikins, tosakins, ryukins and nymphs. Smiley

The "vent method" as described above, aswell as the presence of tubercles and chasing behaviour seen in males is quite an accurate way to sex goldfish. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2005, 06:32:10 AM »

if i only have one fishy, and it is a fantail, is there an easy way to tell? I'm mostly just curious, cos it's called Cocoa and that can go for either...
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2006, 05:14:30 AM »

http://fins.15.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=310

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 06:35:52 PM »

Will different species of goldfish mate?
I am just wondering because I think my Black Moor is a female and my Shubunkin is a male, by I am going by the pectoral fins thing.

My Black Moor has rounded fins and my Shubunkin has pointier ones.

Will they ever mate?
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 03:08:43 AM »

Good info, thanks mate.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2010, 03:06:42 AM »

Thanks for the advice!
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